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Hotwire · Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse

If you watch foodinc you'll see that farmers are actuallly NOT free to use old seed lines and will likely lose thir livelyhood if they do not kowtow to tha facist corporations all of whom are backed by the lobbyist loving govt.

The rest of your response is empty platitude and opinion at best so I'll leave it alone.

comm · Joined: 22 Jun 2010

The Happy Warrior · Joined: 10 Feb 2010

mc_jc · Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

I hope some of you know that some, if not many, muslim women are in fact forced to wear a veil or some type of headscarf out of familial or communal pressure put on them.
The French see the veil as a kind of barrier to full integration into their society and that wearing one, whether voluntarily or by force, keeps a segment of their society from fully integrating.
Muslims try their best to integrate into American and Canadian societies because there is no close ties between North America and the Muslim world while France, and Europe as a whole, are close to North Africa and the Middle East- the closer a segment of a population is to their roots, the chances of their integration become slim.
You also have to look at historical relativity- about 50 or 40 years ago, most Muslims didn't take their religion very seriously and wanted to integrate into western society. However, within the last 20 or 30 years, many Muslims are identifying with their faith since they seemingly feel 'marginalized'.

The sad thing is, some Muslims quietly see 9/11 as 'a high point of their civilization'; an event that shows the developed world that they still have some strength and sign of their emerging strength and assertiveness.
Until 2000, Muslims saw themselves as beleagered people (the fighting in Bosnia, the Gulf War and elsewhere) and it wasn't until 9/11 that some of them saw some pride to show their religious pride.
Sick and twisted, but true.

As more muslims enter Europe, the more they could seek a voice in the countries they live. This is evidently becoming a threat to the people already living or are citizens in those countries.
Remember, they are already threatening free-speech by making death threats against people who speak out against islam.
The ban on veils is supposed to give people the security of thinking, "you can dress any way you want without pressure from your community."
But the ban is also a security measure- as you know about the threats of a Mumbai-style attack happening in Europe, a ban on the veil and burqa is to help the police identify people easily.
A good example why would be the Moscow subway bombings earlier this year.

young_clinton · Joined: 09 Sep 2009

comm · Joined: 22 Jun 2010

mc_jc · Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

Those are VERY interesting questions.

A good example of this on the opposite side of the spectrum are the Gulf countries like UAE and Kuwait. Both of them have very large expat populations that dwarf the native populations. However, both the Kuwaitis and the Emiratis keep a tight reign over their foreign workers and residents. It is not uncommon for Kuwaiti police to pull a public transit bus over and inspect the passengers visas. Not to mention the raids they do on expat neighborhoods for illegal residents.

Europe has been known for its somewhat liberal immigration policies but they are also infamous for their pressure for those immigrants to adopt local customs and traditions.
Also, many nations are looking for ways to curtail immigration right now as a way to help their citizens find work.
A possible theory behind the veil ban is to make France such an inhospitable place for muslims to come that it would prevent a flood of migrants that would endanger their livelihood. Your theory might hold true in some aspects.