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shinramyun
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 Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: British aid worker killed during botched US rescue attempt |
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Kidnapped aid worker killed as special forces mounted rescue
Questions have been raised over the failed attempt by US special forces to free a British aid worker kidnapped in Afghanistan.
Linda Norgrove was killed on Friday night when one of her captors detonated a suicide vest as Nato troops arrived by helicopter to rescue her.
Prime Minister David Cameron and Foreign Secretary William Hague defended the operation to rescue Miss Norgrove, saying it was "her best chance of safe release".
But The Sunday Telegraph has learnt that local Afghan leaders wanted to negotiate with Miss Norgrove's kidnappers to win her freedom but were overruled by Nato commanders who feared she was about to be smuggled to Pakistan and handed over to al-Qaeda militants.
The 36-year-old aid worker from Uig on the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides had been in Afghanistan since 2005, dedicating herself to improving the condition of its stricken people.
She was on her way to a ribbon-cutting ceremony for the Salar Canal, a 24km waterway providing irrigation for up to 8,500 farming families, when she was abducted on 26 September, alongside three Afghan nationals with whom she was working.
Miss Norgrove's name had not been revealed during her 13-day ordeal for fear of further jeopardising her safety.
Her parents had only recently recorded a video appealing for their daughter's release, but she was killed before the Foreign Office gave the go-ahead for it to be broadcast.
The operation to rescue Miss Norgrove began under the cover of darkness on Friday night after special forces pinpointed her location in mountains close to the Pakistan border.
They were within moments of reaching her when she was killed.
Troops who battled through small arms fire to reach the remote compound where she was being held discovered her lying on the ground mortally wounded. They tried to give her medical treatment but she succumbed to her wounds.
Six members of the gang are thought to have died during the fighting.
An official close to the operation said: "She was killed by an explosion probably caused by a suicide vest, held by one of the attackers. There was nothing about her injuries that suggested ISAF forces caused her death."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8053070/Kidnapped-aid-worker-killed-as-special-forces-mounted-rescue.html
Nice work, dimwits.
Locals: We can secure her release peacefully.
US: F*ck nah, Team America! We will use a super seeecret operation involving helicopters and gunfights. They will never suspect.
Taliban: 1
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you should join the Taliban then. Seem a big fan. Getting your world view from cartoons is not a recipe for sucess.
Of course they said they were negotiating to release her After she was dead. This is called spin or propaganda. Makes them look good makes N.A.T.O. look bad. CArtoons are not real life. |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| An official close to the operation said: "She was killed by an explosion probably caused by a suicide vest, held by one of the attackers. There was nothing about her injuries that suggested ISAF forces caused her death." |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Woman was trying to do good things and got sucked into the middle of a war. A tragedy for sure. Taliban shouldnt be kidnapping aide workers to use as hostages. They are the ones to blame. Not the ones trying to rescue her. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: British aid worker killed during botched US rescue attem |
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| shinramyun wrote: |
Nice work, dimwits.
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You ever been in the military, there, Mr. Eloquence?
Thought not. |
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shinramyun
Joined: 31 Jul 2009
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Taliban were tipped off.
Someone within the ANA tipped off the kidnappers about the rescue attempt.
And for the record, it was a joint IFOR-ANA mission that had commandos from the US SpecOps and British UKSF units.
The TOC (Tactical Operations Center) up at Bagram AFB reported that the victim was already dead before the chopper landed (commandos reported hearing a loud explosion while they were in the air). ANA soldiers assisting the mission in the ground got radio calls from the Taliban, telling them to stay away or they would kill her.
The informant source at the site said nothing about any of the captors wearing a suicide vest.
The vest detonated as soon as the commandos were approaching the site- there was no way of saving her.
If the ANA soldiers told the commandos about the threats, they would have stood down and waited for a contingency plan. But the radio massages were relayed to the commandos AFTER the fight was over and the site was neutralized.
Now you know why most of us here in Afghanistan don't trust any of the Afghans who work in the ANA or ANP. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| I assume she was bait to lure the commandos in to a trap and she was dead as soon as their choppers lifted off. the commandos had to know she was bait and they still went. Some people run into burning houses to save people some stand around . |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11514210
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British aid worker Linda Norgrove may have been accidentally killed by US forces during a rescue mission in Afghanistan, David Cameron has said.
International forces there originally said the 36-year-old died on Friday when one of her captors detonated a suicide vest.
But the prime minister said new details had come to light suggesting her death may have resulted from a US grenade. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: |
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OP,
I think this in an inappropriate occasion to start a nationalist pissing contest. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| mc_jc wrote: |
The Taliban were tipped off.
Someone within the ANA tipped off the kidnappers about the rescue attempt.
And for the record, it was a joint IFOR-ANA mission that had commandos from the US SpecOps and British UKSF units.
The TOC (Tactical Operations Center) up at Bagram AFB reported that the victim was already dead before the chopper landed (commandos reported hearing a loud explosion while they were in the air). ANA soldiers assisting the mission in the ground got radio calls from the Taliban, telling them to stay away or they would kill her.
The informant source at the site said nothing about any of the captors wearing a suicide vest.
The vest detonated as soon as the commandos were approaching the site- there was no way of saving her.
If the ANA soldiers told the commandos about the threats, they would have stood down and waited for a contingency plan. But the radio massages were relayed to the commandos AFTER the fight was over and the site was neutralized.
Now you know why most of us here in Afghanistan don't trust any of the Afghans who work in the ANA or ANP. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101011/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan
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| U.S. forces may have detonated a grenade that killed Linda Norgrove during the operation to free her |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I am here in Afghanistan and I was listening to the reports as they were coming in.
She was dead before they arrived.
There is more to this story than what is said in the news.
That is one of the twisted things about this god-awful place.
- if you want to know more, pm me.
I won't risk saying anything more now and certainly not here. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the perspective JC. Can't beileve ppl are shitting on the military for trying to do a good thing. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| mc_jc wrote: |
I am here in Afghanistan and I was listening to the reports as they were coming in.
She was dead before they arrived.
There is more to this story than what is said in the news.
That is one of the twisted things about this god-awful place.
- if you want to know more, pm me.
I won't risk saying anything more now and certainly not here. |
[Mod Edit]
I think you need to become used to hearing that. You take rumor and scuttlebutt from the office, post it on here, and think b/c you're not an English teacher it lends you an air of legitimacy. I guarantee you if you knew half of what you pretend to know your security clearance (and I doubt you have meaningful access) would be revoked. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mc_jc wrote: |
I am here in Afghanistan and I was listening to the reports as they were coming in.
She was dead before they arrived.
There is more to this story than what is said in the news.
That is one of the twisted things about this god-awful place.
- if you want to know more, pm me.
I won't risk saying anything more now and certainly not here. |
[Mod Edit]
I think you need to become used to hearing that. You take rumor and scuttlebutt from the office, post it on here, and think b/c you're not an English teacher it lends you an air of legitimacy. I guarantee you if you knew half of what you pretend to know your security clearance (and I doubt you have meaningful access) would be revoked. |
Even if what he says is true and not office gossip or the like, he is very unprofessional, that much is clear.
But of course I agree with your comment 100% Happy Warrior. |
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