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mattdsoares



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

v88 wrote:
methdxman wrote:
Hey guys, I rode a scooter (125cc) for 5 years in Barcelona so I'm a pretty experienced driver... Only thing is, there are so many scooters in Barcelona that drivers are well aware of them and take the necessary precautions.

How is riding a scooter in Seoul? Is it easy to cut traffic and get to places quickly? Safe? Fun?


Perhaps a bit more intense here than Barcelona. The drivers keep you on your toes. Otherwise Seoul is really easy to get around by bike and you'll enjoy your stay a lot more. You might even save some money if you ride a 125 rather than taking taxis too and from subway stations for more remote destinations.

I like riding in Seoul and love the freedom of having a bike rather than a car or being trapped inside the tube like a mole man.

I suggest you stick with a 125 in Seoul. 50cc is a little small for many of the bridges and some sections of fast moving traffic. A 125 would be much safer and is generally big enough for most Seoul riding (although a 250 is pretty much ideal for commuters as it can hit highways, get out of trouble easier and get ahead of traffic with ease).


Agreed. I have a 50cc scooter and a 125 motorcycle here. The 50cc is fine for everyone except big hills and some of the less congested bridges (like Dongjak Daegyo in Seoul), where the 50cc will be underpowered.

There is a reason almost every bike in Seoul is about 125cc...it's the right balance. It's fuel efficient and given the rediculous traffic in much of the city, not to underpowered (the only time I go top speed on my 125 is on bridge with light traffic).

As for comparing it to Barcelona, I've been there but didn't ride there. Koreans, especially Seoulites are aware of scooters and motorcycle. This isn't Taiwan or Vietnam, but they are fairly omnipresent. That being said, that doesn't often change the way Koreans drive. Be wary of obvious blind spots, don't follow too close, and watch for sidestreets as Koreans like to dart out into traffic without really looking. Also be wary of cabs who will stop at nothing to shoot across 3 lanes and slam on the brakes to pick up a far.

In summary, it's good fun, saves time, and can make your day more enjoyable. ALWAYS be alert, don't take too many risks, and always expect people to do something stupid and you can make it work.

I myself have been in one accident here. It was wet and a cab cut in front of me and slammed on his brakes to pick up a far. I locked my brakes on the wet pavement and went into a slide and ended up under the cab. I was wearing a canvas jacket, jeans, and a good full face helmet so walked away with only a bag bruise on my hamstring. I now know to be especially wary of cabs near me as they often don't look when they change lanes.
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mattdsoares



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: Coming to Korea; Wish to ride. Reply with quote

digitalmk wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm hoping to be coming to Korea around February for a year (or more) and I wanted to get a general idea of what kind of bike to get. I've read all 122 pages of this awesome thread, so I won't ask the questions that have been asked ad nauseum.

As I read through this thread, I first thought, "Hey! A 125 Daelim Daystar sounds good!" But then read further and saw that many people were saying that, while it is good for city driving, it isn't the best for longer trips (up mountains, longer distances at 100+ kph, etc.). So I read on...

I started seeing advocates for the 250GT Comet and did a little research. I think it looks like a good bike. There was also mention of the Honda CB400, which I also researched and heard nothing buy good things about.

So, my question is this: What would be the best bike for someone who will be a beginner, wants to be able to go out on longer day trips on the highways, doesn't plan on doing too much city driving (on a day-to-day basis), and isn't a big ol' cruiser?

My other question is this: In your opinion(s), would it better to find riding gear (gloves, jacket, etc.) before I come over, or can decent quality stuff be bought over there (DOT approved helmets, etc.)

Thanks for any info you can give and keep up this awesome thread, it's been very educational Smile


If you want to be able to cruise around the country a bit more than a 250 would be a better choice than a 125. If you're going to be in Seoul like I am and will just be commuting and riding around the local area on weekends, a 125 is a good choice and is the most popular choice among Korean riders.

As for which bike to go with, as others have said there is no perfect bike. However, I have heard good things about the Comet and being a common Korean bike, you can likely get one used for cheaper than the Honda. If you want a cruiser style, take a look at the Hyosung Mirage 250. I have the 125 version of it and it's a nice looking, comfortable bike.

I also echo to sentiment of buying riding gear in the US if you're a US Xl or larger. The sizes here on riding gear are very limited. That being said you can get good helmets and gloves for relatively cheap here either in the Chungmoro neighborhood or on gmarket.com. I have a nice full face HJC helmet from gmarket for 70,000 Won. A jacket, pants, and boots are tougher for bigger sizes here.
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mattdsoares



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joesp wrote:
power === loss of maneuverability (bad if you work in kangnam, like I do). a 125 is easier to control . Power is not what you need for Korea. I mean, maybe, limit that to city driving. If you are a rich guy and have 5 mill just to throw around on a toy, go ahead and get yourself a big bike for the weekend. In Seoul, more than power is COURAGE. that will take a 50cc scooter way past some fat harley sitting back in traffic at some light. Also, ego + motorcycles don't mix in a country where you'll have a taxi whip out in front of you almost once every few blocks.

i'm sure you know about the safety issues; they are much worse in Thailand, according to statistics.


Please explain to me how a 250 Hyosung Mirage is less maneuverable than a 125 Hyosung Mirage...same bike, different engine.

I know what you're getting at. More powerful bikes are generally bigger. IE a massive 1000cc Harley isn't going to be as good in traffic as a 125cc Delfino...but let's be honest here. Simply equating more power to less maneuverability is an exaggeration and not a one size fits all statement like you're trying to make it.
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digitalmk



Joined: 04 Sep 2010
Location: Uijeongbu

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply mattdsoares. That makes me want to look into getting some gear before leaving the States. Another question that came to mind was this: I know some gear can be found over there, but is there accessories readily available? (Saddlebags, tank bag, etc.)
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

digitalmk wrote:
I know some gear can be found over there, but is there accessories readily available? (Saddlebags, tank bag, etc.)


Yes! Chungmuro 5-ga is loaded with bike shops.
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Xaiko



Joined: 05 Oct 2009
Location: Jamsil

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question. If I choose to ship my scooter to America by boat, is having registration papers a must? I purchased mine without them
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machoman



Joined: 11 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xaiko wrote:
I have a question. If I choose to ship my scooter to America by boat, is having registration papers a must? I purchased mine without them


i thought about doing the same, but how much would that cost??
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Xaiko



Joined: 05 Oct 2009
Location: Jamsil

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I have no idea. I was thinking of sending my 47" tv and heard there is a min. Of space to send things. But I wonder, since I'm far from the boat port in both here and Texas, maybe it's too much
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mattdsoares



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xaiko wrote:
Sorry I have no idea. I was thinking of sending my 47" tv and heard there is a min. Of space to send things. But I wonder, since I'm far from the boat port in both here and Texas, maybe it's too much


The apartments tend to be small. I'd come here and check out your diggs first before shipping a 47in TV. I have a 42 inch I bought here. It fits...but it absolutely dominates the apartment. A 47 inch wouldn't fit in my place.
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xaiko wrote:
Sorry I have no idea. I was thinking of sending my 47" tv and heard there is a min. Of space to send things. But I wonder, since I'm far from the boat port in both here and Texas, maybe it's too much


For posts like this I always suggest that people just sell whatever they're talking about and re-buy it here. You'd make up for lost cash by not paying for shipping.
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BURNBURNRUBBER



Joined: 03 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretty sure they're both talking about shipping home FROM here...
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NSMatt



Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Location: London

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BURNBURNRUBBER wrote:


yes. i have been for plates and license on a 125 about 2 years ago (even though i actually had both). they wouldn't even look at my bike to check to see if i had plated and registered it. i eventually won with a letter to a judge, photos, a lot of effort ,etc., but it was going to be expensive (much more than insurance) and a 2 year suspension. if you have an accident, it will be much worse.
this is not your country and you're at their mercy. protect yourself.


Thank you all for the replies so far. I am trying to get insurance and plates but the price quotes are making it very hard to do so!

I went to my local office and they did not have any kind of contact information for insurance companies. The man there was very helpful and he called one of the number's on my list. LIG MagiCar quoted me at approx 500,000 then lowered it to 390 when he said it was too expensive.

Today I had a cowoker at the hagwon call many companies, Hyundai was close to 500,000 as well. The cheapest quote so far was Merrick at 377.

Can anyone give me the name and contact info of a broker with reasonable rates. Im 26 (to be 27 in a month) and have had my Korean motorcycle licence for over a year. I am driving a 2003 Hyosung 250 and living in Gangnam Gu Office. 500,000 seems very expensive compared to what other people are paying! Please help me out
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSMatt wrote:
BURNBURNRUBBER wrote:


yes. i have been for plates and license on a 125 about 2 years ago (even though i actually had both). they wouldn't even look at my bike to check to see if i had plated and registered it. i eventually won with a letter to a judge, photos, a lot of effort ,etc., but it was going to be expensive (much more than insurance) and a 2 year suspension. if you have an accident, it will be much worse.
this is not your country and you're at their mercy. protect yourself.


Thank you all for the replies so far. I am trying to get insurance and plates but the price quotes are making it very hard to do so!

I went to my local office and they did not have any kind of contact information for insurance companies. The man there was very helpful and he called one of the number's on my list. LIG MagiCar quoted me at approx 500,000 then lowered it to 390 when he said it was too expensive.

Today I had a cowoker at the hagwon call many companies, Hyundai was close to 500,000 as well. The cheapest quote so far was Merrick at 377.

Can anyone give me the name and contact info of a broker with reasonable rates. Im 26 (to be 27 in a month) and have had my Korean motorcycle licence for over a year. I am driving a 2003 Hyosung 250 and living in Gangnam Gu Office. 500,000 seems very expensive compared to what other people are paying! Please help me out


Call the guys here: http://www.motorcyclekorea.co.kr/ They should be able to find you a policy that fits your budget.

Just having a license doesn't affect your rate - just like back home, you actually have to be insured for that period of time to realize any savings.

Yeah, I'm not sure what first-time policy holders are paying - but prices did about double a couple of years ago, so I guess 500 would be in-line with that. For what it's worth, I pay about 200,000 a year for my CBR (I used to pay 130,000!).. and I've had one claim.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, relax and chill you guys - we're all enthusiasts.

Motorcycle Enthusiasts - lets' just enjoy it while we can here.

One of my favorite vids this year is this:

Video - Bubs 2010 ANSWER Shoot


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v88



Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Location: here

PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urban riding skills: Adapted from MCN (my writing in parenthesis)

If you ride: According to the HURT report

You are 30% more likely to die in an accident than people in cars.
75% of all accidents are with cars.
In 2/3�s of all accidents with cars it was the car driver that violated the bikes right of way.
25% of accidents are the riders fault alone and do not involve another vehicle.
Weather played a factor in only 2% of accidents.

The key lesson here is that urban riding is dangerous and skills like counter steering, leaning and proper braking in corners will not help you because other road users in the city are the most serious threat to your safety as a motorcyclist.

The sudden movements of other vehicles can present a much greater hazard to you than to the drivers themselves.
In this situation, developing a defensive riding style is vital. Here are eight tips to keep you safe on the roads in association with Spada.

1. Be alert � It�s natural for your concentration to waver during a journey, but in this state you�re extremely vulnerable to sudden hazards. Rest regularly or simply stop riding if your mind keeps wandering. �In Korea it takes only a split second of mental wandering and you could have a taxi cutting you off. That split second can mean the difference between stopping unharmed or being sent flying over the taxi (I speak from experience).�

2. Be judgemental � If a car�s banged up and held together by sticky tape it�s fair to say the driver is no stranger to accidents. Beware. �I think for Korea you should assume big expensive cars and SUVs will drive like A-holes, truck and bus drivers will do whatever they want and taxi drivers are likely to do sudden u-turns or pull over quickly to try and pick up or drop off a fare. You can also put small drivers in the �dumb� driver category as many small cars are driven by inexperienced drivers.�

3. Look up � The further you look, the more you�ll see. Knowing everything that�s going on around you is key to avoiding dangerous situations. Don't be afraid to move to get a better view. �Keep your sight lines clear, ride ahead of traffic (so having a bit of speed to get up front can be a good thing), stay clear of buses and trucks, scan all intersections before crossing.�

4. Anticipate problems � The more time you have to react to a hazard the more likely you are to deal with it safely. Police riders recommend commenting aloud on an upcoming hazard, detailing what you intend to do. �Learn to �read� what drivers might be doing. A car riding the line may be about the change lanes, a bus in the middle lane just might be pulling into that bus stop ahead, the truck edging up on the stop line may be keen to run the red light��

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6. Check your blind spots � Doing your rearward safety checks isn�t just something you do to pass your test, it�s a potentially life-saving habit. Make sure you keep it up. �Always check behind you, but if you ride a small capacity bike like a 125 or are riding slow�be sure to do this more often. Korean drivers will pass you ridiculously close; they may even split a lane between you and another vehicle or half on the shoulder�even on the highway. Taxi drivers are real bad at sneaking up on you especially late at night when they are more concerned with the next fare. Small truck drivers and tow trucks are often in a real hurry to get somewhere (cause they don�t make much money) and are likely to try and pass you in places they shouldn�t (like a yield lane or off ramp to a highway).�

7. Check your speed � At 70mph the shortest distance for a complete stop is 96m.

8. Keep your distance � staying a safe distance behind the vehicle in front will increase your range of vision as well as giving you space to stop in an emergency. �Problem with this in Korea is that any space you leave means someone will try to wedge themselves into it�so use your best judgment. I prefer to stay in front of traffic where possible, but when in traffic I try to leave as much room as possible without leaving too much room for cars to sneak in. I avoid being behind buses and trucks so that I can look ahead of the car I�m behind.�

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/RidingEvents/ridingeventsresults/Riding-skills/2010/October/oct1810-MCN-s-guide-to-urban-riding-Defensive-riding/?WT.dcsvid=SilverpopMailing&WT.mc_id=MCN%20Newsletter%20October2010%20%281%29
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