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rollo
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Thank god that experts on Afghanistan, the military, and security clearances like the Happy warrior and the bum exist to set us straight. Woman is dead because she was kidnapped by the Taliban end of story.
Of course if N.A.T.O. hadnt attempted the rescue she would have been sent on an expenses paid vacation to Thailand by Al Queda. something like what happened to Nicolas Berg. |
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lukas
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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conrad2
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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I am here in Afghanistan and I was listening to the reports as they were coming in.
She was dead before they arrived.
There is more to this story than what is said in the news.
That is one of the twisted things about this god-awful place.
- if you want to know more, pm me.
I won't risk saying anything more now and certainly not here. |
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I think you need to become used to hearing that. You take rumor and scuttlebutt from the office, post it on here, and think b/c you're not an English teacher it lends you an air of legitimacy. I guarantee you if you knew half of what you pretend to know your security clearance (and I doubt you have meaningful access) would be revoked. |
Even if what he says is true and not office gossip or the like, he is very unprofessional, that much is clear.
But of course I agree with your comment 100% Happy Warrior. |
I also agree. MCJC's act is tired. His "top secret" info about the sinking of the Cheonan was dead wrong. Why don'y you go live out your James Bond fantasies elsewhere and spare this message board. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| conrad2 wrote: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| mc_jc wrote: |
I am here in Afghanistan and I was listening to the reports as they were coming in.
She was dead before they arrived.
There is more to this story than what is said in the news.
That is one of the twisted things about this god-awful place.
- if you want to know more, pm me.
I won't risk saying anything more now and certainly not here. |
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I think you need to become used to hearing that. You take rumor and scuttlebutt from the office, post it on here, and think b/c you're not an English teacher it lends you an air of legitimacy. I guarantee you if you knew half of what you pretend to know your security clearance (and I doubt you have meaningful access) would be revoked. |
Even if what he says is true and not office gossip or the like, he is very unprofessional, that much is clear.
But of course I agree with your comment 100% Happy Warrior. |
I also agree. MCJC's act is tired. His "top secret" info about the sinking of the Cheonan was dead wrong. Why don'y you go live out your James Bond fantasies elsewhere and spare this message board. |
hehe, for sure.
Yeah, that woman put herself in a risky situation by going into a war-zone.
Maybe the story should be : Soldiers risk their lives to rescue over ambitious woman.
I'm by no means a supporter of the wars or what have you, but if I was one of those soldiers sent to rescue her I'd be pretty angry. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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I think you need to become used to hearing that. |
He apparently enjoys it. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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I am not even going to argue about this.
I am here, in Afghanistan, getting reports about this as any official would.
If you want to believe the conspiracy theories of other posters who have no real knowledge of the stuff that happens here, that is YOUR choice, not mine.
My question to you is; are you here with me?
Do you know me well enough on a personal level to know if I am lying or not?
As for asking for sources? To those that know me, sure- I could do that.
But to the rest of you- do I know you well enough to do that? No.
I provide this info because I hated being in the dark and relying on conspiracy theories like many of you. I have the knowledge about what goes on and despite some of you naysayers; many people appreciate what I give them.
Do you think I am going to stoop to your level and throw insults?
Think again.
I am an adult and I want to act maturely unlike a lot of the childish behavior some of you are displaying.
You think what I say is bullcrap, fine- you can believe what you want.
But I will provide information to those who want to know and there is no way in hell I am going to stop.
If you want to complain about it like a petulant child, go ahead and be my guest.
As for the sinking of the Cheonan- The sea mine IS in part of the report that was not released to the public.
Do you know why the Russians are not issuing their report on the Cheonan?
It was because the propellor found at the site had been sitting at the ocean bottom for many years. The explosion was in fact a sea mine that was laid by North Korea and there is evidence that the ship was blown apart by a stationary object.
The Russian report runs counter to the joint US-South Korean report and if the report went public, it would totally discredit the torpedoe theory, which would put both North Korea and China on a "I told you so" stance with the allies, further destablizing the region.
Have fun! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Thank god that experts on Afghanistan, the military, and security clearances like the Happy warrior and the bum exist to set us straight. Woman is dead because she was kidnapped by the Taliban end of story.
Of course if N.A.T.O. hadnt attempted the rescue she would have been sent on an expenses paid vacation to Thailand by Al Queda. something like what happened to Nicolas Berg. |
Eh, I personally have no idea what happened. Unless I read Happy Warrior's post wrong, he wasn't taking sides on what actually happened either. We were merely calling BS on a certain poster claiming to have info the rest of us don't have. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| We were merely calling BS on a certain poster claiming to have info the rest of us don't have. |
What makes you an expert?
Because you are in Canada and watching CBC and BBC?
Are you in Afghanistan with me?
Do you have the paygrade and security clearance that allows you to obtain the information I receive?
Do you get Sitreps on a usual basis about what is going on here?
I don't think so.
You can call BS all you want because you are not here and you have no idea what is going on.
You and your opinions simply don't matter to me.
Have a nice day. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| We were merely calling BS on a certain poster claiming to have info the rest of us don't have. |
What makes you an expert?
Because you are in Canada and watching CBC and BBC?
Are you in Afghanistan with me?
Do you have the paygrade and security clearance that allows you to obtain the information I receive?
Do you get Sitreps on a usual basis about what is going on here?
I don't think so.
You can call BS all you want because you are not here and you have no idea what is going on.
You and your opinions simply don't matter to me.
Have a nice day. |
That whining made me think of this clip
Waw waw waw waw. If you do work for DoD in Afghanistan, well, it just confirms my beliefs, I'll keep it at that. if my opinion doesn't matter to you then why don't you just ignore me?
And btw, paygrade doesn't really mean jack when it comes to that kind of thing... |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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if my opinion doesn't matter to you then why don't you just ignore me?
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Thanks for the advice. 
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| paygrade doesn't really mean jack when it comes to that kind of thing... |
It does when you no clue what you're talking about.
As for whining and ignoring- you should also follow your own advice- if you have a problem with what I say, wouldn't it make more sense to ignore it and move on than to stick around and argue?
I can call the WAHHmulance for you- |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| It does when you no clue what you're talking about. |
A gs-15 or SES in ____ agency (other than the DoD and maybe the State Dept) isn't going to have have more knowledge about defense matters than a GS-7 working for something like the DIA. That's why I said pay grade doesn't really mean much; only matters between people in the same organization.
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As for whining and ignoring- you should also follow your own advice- if you have a problem with what I say, wouldn't it make more sense to ignore it and move on than to stick around and argue?
I can call the WAHHmulance for you- |
You were complaining about our criticisms of you. And if you can quote a post of mine where I go on for more than a few sentences about you being a BS artist, go right ahead. I'll concede I was being hypocritical. Good luck! |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: |
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I just wanna know what happened to "loose lips sink ships."
Give a guy like mc_jc a few beers in a bar, presuming he has access to valuable intelligence, and the willingness to impress starts to outweigh the weakened inhibitions.
But I guess that's the answer, it'd ultimately garner little more than conjecture and scuttlebutt. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| A gs-15 or SES in ____ agency (other than the DoD and maybe the State Dept) isn't going to have have more knowledge about defense matters than a GS-7 working for something like the DIA. That's why I said pay grade doesn't really mean much; only matters between people in the same organization |
The level of intelligence matters on the departmental level within the government DOES depend greatly on a person's paygrade. A GS-13 (me) is going to get a plathora of information not only relevant to his duties, but what is relevant to the OPTEMPO of the theater of operations, whereas the information passed down to a GS-7 is only relevant to their job. The higher the paygrade and level of responsibility, the more intelligence a person provided.
A GS-13 (usually in a senior level management position) tends to get more information than a person who is a GS-7 (usually an automated office clerk).
My agency is connect to the regional command structure (which in this case is Central Command based out of MacDill AFB in Tampa http://www.centcom.mil/) and as such I am responsible for supplying and re-supplying of all US, NATO and other forces attached who are positioned in the southern half of the country.
As part of my job here, as it was in Korea, was to receive daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, etc. reports on the situation here in Afghanistan. Some of the information I get is extremely relevant while other bits of information is not, but it makes for a fascinating read.
Now, I pass on information to my friends here to give them a better picture of what is going on and to contribute to the discussions. I do it because they appreciate the additional information I could provide them so they could hear both sides of the story and not what is always written in the media (conservative, liberal-mainstream, independent) and they could make a more robust opinion for themselves not just based on one particular source.
This section is FULL of conspiracy theorists who pipe their rhetoric and go into tantrums when others don't see their way.
Please, where in my initial posts do I start making personal remarks about people? where?
I don't stoop to that level- that is not me.
I try to afford people the same respect they would give me.
I have no problem if someone disagrees with me and I would be happy to discuss the topics further if it might help. But when it starts to become personal, then I realize that it is just a way for someone to pass along their agenda.
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That's ok. No one can agree about everything all the time. It is good to take an opposing viewpoint.
However, my posts and information is supplemental to the discussion while you are posting because you have an agenda.
That, my friend, is bias.
BB- I like you and deeply respect you because you are an avid contributor. I have no qualms against anyone here because, frankly, I don't know anyone. But I believe that everyone contributes a little bit to this forum and to Dave's in their own special way.
Some teachers are in Korea for a year and then there are others who have been in Korea forever. There people who contribute here who are not teachers, but they have knowledge and experiences that help others and give others a more detailed understanding about a certain topic.
We are a huge, extremely dysfunctional family with people who have a wide variety of tastes. No one is the same.
You're right, in someways I have been somewhat overly sensitive on certain things. I guess I have to learn to take it in stride- thanx!
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"loose lips sink ships."
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Interesting statement.
The information I provide is general and could easily be obtained through an FOIA request. A poster, who is respected and who is considerate, kindly asked me for proof to something I said. I was more than happy to put in a request for a report on the incident in question, though it took me about 4 months.
My information is not about specific unit or troop movements and dates that might harm a particular mission, so it is deemed harmful.
Also, a senior official has to sign off on a request for information about a certain subject- which in this case is me.
So I am in no way violating OPSEC.
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| Are you sure you're not stuck somewhere in the deepest, darkest part of Korea and hallucinating this whole Afghanistan thing? |
I haven't been in a remote area of Korea since 1992...and I haven't been that stoned since I got stoned at a Metallica concert in 1986.
Thanx for asking 
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Wishmaster
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: |
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It just doesn't make sense. You are in Afghanistan and you are...puttering around on a Korean discussion forum...  I would think that your priorities are a bit misplaced. Sure you are not stuck somewhere in deepest, darkest Korea and not hallucinating this whole Afghanistan thing? |
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