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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Crazy person. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Location: On your computer screen.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Even Hotter wrote: |
ERm - NOOOOOOOO1
What you fail to realise is that
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I've been trolled! Grrrrrrr!!!! All that effort I made in that post too... |
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Even Hotter
Joined: 13 Oct 2010 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Obvious HOMO
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Even Hotter
Joined: 13 Oct 2010 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Cannif, that is! |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
I know I can speak Korean as well as, if not better than, my Asian-American friend. Yet I find when we'll go to a restaurant together the waiters/waitresses will inevitably look towards him when we enter/order and even after I've spoken out in Korean they will continue do it as though he's the 'Korean' and therefore must be deferred to.
This also extends to people giving out leaflets in the streets who will only target him and ignore me and various other situations.
We've both noticed this phenomenon- how Koreans will assume he knows the language (because of his Asian features) and assume I don't (because of my non-Asian features) and have laughed about it. |
Asylum Seeker is telling the truth.
I was at a community October festival with two other people.
One was a second-generation Chinese person with US citizenship who had never opened a Korean textbook in her life.
The other was a second-generation Korean person with US citizenship who knew so little Korean that she had to speak to the booth vendors in English.
I had to translate for both of them.
Guess which one got assaulted with 캔아이헬프유's.
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Even Hotter wrote: |
| Cannif, that is! |
Just for you - I love your soju cologne. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Even Hotter wrote: |
| you make an 8 page thread and go to the effort of creating your fictional 'Ferguson society etc.' |
You got the chronology wrong.
I have been writing posts about the Miriam Ferguson Society for three years. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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I have to say I gave Tomato a hard time when I first joined over getting frustrated at people not wanting to speak Korean with or around him.
After trying to get my own practice in, I have to say I share some of his frustration. The only difference is I get to hear one sentence in Korean. Then when I reply and they hear my accent its Englishee from there on out.
I want to practice my Korean, they want to practice their English.
Le sigh. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:18 am Post subject: |
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stoolrails to Mosley: "you seem to think going to College[sic] is a bad thing".
Actually, I think it is a bad thing, if after years and dollars spent at an institution of 'higher learning', one can believe that a common noun should be capitalized.
But what should make one pine for a tuition refund is this: a total lack of reading comprehension skills(assuming our dear rails isn't being disingenuous-and how could one suspect him of such a thing?).
NOWHERE did I write that posts were to be of a certain length or quickly typed. NOWHERE. What I did refer to was to the RESPONSE TIME of posters like rails. The proof's in the pudding.
On the first page of the thread(please check it out, dear Dave's posters), rails chose to personally attack me and insult me. It took him 50 mins. after my post for him to do so. Next time, of a Mosley post replied to by rails? Less than 4 hrs. Next? Little more than two hrs. Next? 1 hr. Next? 10 mins. Next? 50 mins. Next? 10 1/2 hrs. Next? Almost 12 hrs.(clearly, our apologist hero was on extended vacations both of those times). Next? 28 mins. Next? 52 mins. Next? 50 mins.
What conclusions can be arrived at, given the above? Well two, at least:
1) This True Believer is a "man on a mission", to provide apologist apologies...and is terrified that a veteran of the ROK teaching experience will get the last word in...God forbid that neophytes will get the impression that the ROK crap dumped on potential NTs is "not normal".
2) That our apologist hero is not enjoying his time in the Hermit Kingdom nearly as much as he lets on...check out how much he posts at Dave's...and how often.
As for the attempts at some for "levity" on this thread, all I can say is(insert Jack Hawkins voice)...jolly good lads...jolly good show.... |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: |
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stoolrails to Mosley: "you seem to think going to College[sic] is a bad thing".
Actually, I think it is a bad thing, if after years and dollars spent at an institution of 'higher learning', one can believe that a common noun should be capitalized.
But what should make one pine for a tuition refund is this: a total lack of reading comprehension skills(assuming our dear rails isn't being disingenuous-and how could one suspect him of such a thing?).
NOWHERE did I write that posts were to be of a certain length or quickly typed. NOWHERE. What I did refer to was to the RESPONSE TIME of posters like rails. The proof's in the pudding.
On the first page of the thread(please check it out, dear Dave's posters), rails chose to personally attack me and insult me. It took him 50 mins. after my post for him to do so. Next time, of a Mosley post replied to by rails? Less than 4 hrs. Next? Little more than two hrs. Next? 1 hr. Next? 10 mins. Next? 50 mins. Next? 10 1/2 hrs. Next? Almost 12 hrs.(clearly, our apologist hero was on extended vacations both of those times). Next? 28 mins. Next? 52 mins. Next? 50 mins.
What conclusions can be arrived at, given the above? Well two, at least:
1) This True Believer is a "man on a mission", to provide apologist apologies...and is terrified that a veteran of the ROK teaching experience will get the last word in...God forbid that neophytes will get the impression that the ROK crap dumped on potential NTs is "not normal".
2) That our apologist hero is not enjoying his time in the Hermit Kingdom nearly as much as he lets on...check out how much he posts at Dave's...and how often.
As for the attempts at some for "levity" on this thread, all I can say is(insert Jack Hawkins voice)...jolly good lads...jolly good show.... |
And what this has to do with the event in question is....?
And what this has to do with your total misinterpretation of non-existent occurrences is...?
Now say what you will, I am in Korea. You have long since left here. So if I am a dyed-in-the-wool apologist, what does that make you? If it is obsessive that I post rapidly and frequently, what does that say about someone who isn't even teaching in Korea?
And as for "personal attacks and insults" again, I called your post prejudiced, which it was. It was a statement of fact. Don't want to be called prejudiced? Don't jump to prejudicial conclusions.
If you feel like I was being insulting then you are welcome to re-submit your complaint to the mods and let them decide. They can judge and I will accept their judgment. You said you reported me to the mods. Feel free to do so again. Be sure to mention your use of terms like 'Stoolrails' (which I have no problem with. I can take a joke) and calling me 'College Boy'.
This has gotten off topic and has degenerated into me vs. you.
To sum up- there was this event. As far as anyone knows there was no protest group outside this event. Tomato's post was clearly satirical. You chose to believe that it was literal and prejudged. You have consistently refused to admit that your judgment was in error. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: |
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When I was a high school student, I was a very poor athlete. I attended a summer camp two bullies in my cabin kept me reminded of that fact. When one player was eliminated to even the teams up, I was that one player. When we played baseball, I struck out. On those rare occasions in which I got the ball, I fumbled. This was all to the glee of the two bullies in my cabin.
But one day, I unexpectedly won a swimming race. I was congratulated by everyone else, but the two bullies were nowhere to be found. If they really wanted me to become a better athlete, they would have encouraged me. They didn't, though, because they preferred to use me for a victim to pick on.
Now to tie that in with this thread:
Even Hotter portrayed me as a hostile foreigner. He cited those posts in which I made fun of the Miriam Ferguson Society.
But all of my posts weren't like that. On page 6, I wrote a post in which I criticized myself for those very traits which I find unacceptable in Koreans. Did Even Hotter see that? Of course not!
One the same page, I wrote a post in which I tried to see the Koreans' point of view. Did Even Hotter see that? Of course not!
At the bottom of page 6, Louis VI wrote a post arguing that the Koreans see English as a prestigious language. This seemed to contradict my posts, in which I argued that the Koreans look down on us. One might expect me to lash out at Louis VI. Indeed, that was my first impulse. But instead, I wrote a post on page 7, in which I tried to see Louis VI's point of view and to better see the Koreans' point of view. Did Even Hotter see that? Of course not!
If Even Hotter really wanted me to become a better diplomat, he would have reinforced those efforts to understand the Korean people. He didn't, though, because he preferred to use me for an enemy.
Now to tie that in with other people on the thread:
Are Steelrails and Mosley really trying to share something with each other? Or are they only using each other for enemies?
There is a good way to find out: Steelrails/Mosley, try posting something in which you admit your own faults, admit Mosley's/Steelrails' good points, or for some other reason should be favorable to Mosley/Steelrails.
Then see how he reacts. If he reacts favorably, he is really trying to share with you. If he doesn't, he is merely using you for an enemy. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| This thread has turned into a man-love thread. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| What's a man-love thread? |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| This thread has turned into a man-love thread. |
I was going to make some sort of Sea Captain "Yar, man love" type joke, then realized that nothing good could come of that....
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| There is a good way to find out: Steelrails/Mosley, try posting something in which you admit your own faults, admit Mosley's/Steelrails' good points, or for some other reason should be favorable to Mosley/Steelrails. |
Well I can't go and do it now after you said that...That would just be weird.
But to Mosley, as I posted on here, Tomato and I went at it before and I mentioned how after time I saw his view of things. That's why I posted a 'defense' of his view in response to Even Hotter's posts. Besides, how can I be mad at a G&S fan?
I'm certainly a confirmed apologista, but I hope at least, that my record indicates that when someone doesn't post in such terms as "Koreans are so stupid" or "They all are bad because of this" I'll often hear them out and agree with them. Well, I hope at least 51% of the time I do.
It's not what you're saying, a lot of it is how you're saying it. And Mosley, at least try and write like a literate person please. Tomato may say the exact same things as you and I will be way more patient with him (even though I may argue) because he writes like a mature, educated adult. Note that this doesn't prevent him from being quirky with his writing, but you sense education and intelligence behind it.
It's really hard for me to see Mosley's points, behind is absolutely exaggerated writing style. No nuance, no use of terms like "a majority" "for the most part" or "while there are certainly many exceptions, nonetheless..."
I guess he may have some points about the JET program being better, but he wrote about it in such a way that was really hard to take seriously. I can see how one might believe the satirical post, but if I fell for that (and I'm sure I will at some point) I'd hope that I could own up to it.
I mean these last 10 or so pages would have gone way differently if Mosley had sad "Wow, my bad on that" in regards to Tomato's post and then gone on to explain his frustrations with Korea in a reasonable manner.[/quote] |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:56 am Post subject: |
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tomato, are you seriously asking me(or anyone who objects to Korean racism)to believe that a troll/True Believer like rails is worth trying to embrace in a Kumbaya type of hug? Not bloody likely.
You know rails, me matey, I was going to to be nasty & point out things like: 1) you promised not to respond to me anymore-you broke that promise 2) you took a whole hour and a half to respond to my last post 3) as you've done many times, after having your butt handed to you in a hat, you backtrack/ignore what you previously claimed and ignore pointed questions. Latest case in point: now, all of a sudden, it doesn't matter how long posts are or how long it takes to post them.
But I won't do that because it's not my style-that's your province.
I've already made the point a hundred times...but once more with feeling:
I DON'T CARE about the speech contest, per se. Metaphorical concepts are beyond your grasp, and with you being a True Believer, I appreciate that(evangelical, by any chance?).
What I do know, based on three yrs. time in the ROK(yeah, I know, rails, it was sooooo long ago I was there...hmm, rolling eyes emoticon not working, so insert rolling eyes here) , is that the reactions contained in the story, real...satirical...or otherwise, ring true to the nth degree.
Now for goodness sakes go to sleep & get ready for your classes tomorrow....
Edit: I was responding to his 3:45 am post 
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