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twospoonsmv
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:06 pm Post subject: can american asians teach in south korea? |
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Hello everyone
This is my first post. I am also in the beginning stage of applying for jobs in South Korea. I am Asian American, speak English fluently--English is my first language, hold a b.s. and masters. Due to the economy, student loans, and of course an interest in South Korea I have decide to teach for a year or so until the economy gets back in shape.
I was doing some research on recruiters, locations, jobs, etc. I found this one particular recruiting who stated that if you are Asian then chances of getting a teaching position in Korea is slim to none. I am not sure if this is base on facts but it just sounds a bit odd to me.
Is there any validity to this statement or does it varies from location, schools, and recruiter?
Any advice would truly be appreciated. Thank in advance for your time.
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hagwons tend to sell the image of an English education over an actual education. As such, they tend to prefer young, fair-haired North American women. Barring that, they settle for some combination of non-North American women and fair-haired North American men. At the end of the day, looking like a WASP definitely helps you here in terms of getting hired.
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
Strictly due to Korean prejudices, where in Asia you're from is also relevant. East Asians will generally have an easier time finding something than South Asians. |
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tokkibunni8
Joined: 13 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Go through as many recruiters as you can and don't be picky on location. You'll have better chances with public schools and out in rural areas. Good luck. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've met plenty of Korean Americans working in hagwons and PS.
However, I don't like your chances if you're from SE Asia (Koreans are very xenophobic towards these peoples).
Good luck. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
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twospoonsmv
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
what is a tech school?
what is gyopos? |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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twospoonsmv wrote: |
winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
what is a tech school?
what is gyopos? |
Teach schools are high schools where the students aren't expected to go to University.
Gyopo is a term describing a half-Korean or full Korean born out of Korea. |
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pkjh

Joined: 23 May 2008
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
Not sure how true this is, but it is more likely to happen in Seoul and area. Aim for the provinces, kids are easier to control and you'll have a better time than you think. |
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twospoonsmv
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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pkjh wrote: |
winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
Not sure how true this is, but it is more likely to happen in Seoul and area. Aim for the provinces, kids are easier to control and you'll have a better time than you think. |
Well I would like to know from people who are Asian American and teaching in South Korea. What kind of experiences did they have and what type of problems did they run into if any.
Hear say doesn't help. |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Location: Daegu, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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twospoonsmv wrote: |
pkjh wrote: |
winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
Not sure how true this is, but it is more likely to happen in Seoul and area. Aim for the provinces, kids are easier to control and you'll have a better time than you think. |
Well I would like to know from people who are Asian American and teaching in South Korea. What kind of experiences did they have and what type of problems did they run into if any.
Hear say doesn't help. |
I'm asian american of chinese/vietnamese descend and I'm in the EPIK program. They put me in Daegu and in one of the rich area of the city. My apartment is like 3 times the size of most EPIK teacher. I've been here for three weeks, been enjoying it so far. Everyone thinks I'm korean and have gone up to me and start talking in korean. Sorry to disappoint them, oh well. I saw a good amount of asian americans in the EPIK program, especially in Daegu, which is a big city. |
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twospoonsmv
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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hondaicivic wrote: |
twospoonsmv wrote: |
pkjh wrote: |
winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
Not sure how true this is, but it is more likely to happen in Seoul and area. Aim for the provinces, kids are easier to control and you'll have a better time than you think. |
Well I would like to know from people who are Asian American and teaching in South Korea. What kind of experiences did they have and what type of problems did they run into if any.
Hear say doesn't help. |
I'm asian american of chinese/vietnamese descend and I'm in the EPIK program. They put me in Daegu and in one of the rich area of the city. My apartment is like 3 times the size of most EPIK teacher. I've been here for three weeks, been enjoying it so far. Everyone thinks I'm korean and have gone up to me and start talking in korean. Sorry to disappoint them, oh well. I saw a good amount of asian americans in the EPIK program, especially in Daegu, which is a big city. |
Thanks for the insight....
Can I ask which recruiter you went with??? |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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twospoonsmv wrote: |
Well I would like to know from people who are Asian American and teaching in South Korea. What kind of experiences did they have and what type of problems did they run into if any.
Hear say doesn't help. |
It wasn't meant to be hearsay. I'm a Korean-American. And this has been my experience thus far. And other people would obviously have a different experience. Tech schools are inner city high schools. Very little support from the education office and school, 95% of students are at risk youth (Are not operating at their grade level and are at serious risk of dropping out of school) behavior problems, home issues, on subsidized lunches, etc.
Before other posters attack me, I just wanted to throw this out there to let you know what you might get BEFORE you apply.
The education offices obviously can't discriminate against schools when they draw up their placement lists. There's been a big push lately to put more resources in these schools. So all of these factors would obviously affect your chances of being placed there.
If you don't have a problem with working at a tech school. Than let your recruiter know you want to work at one and they should be able to get you a contract at one pretty fast. They've always got teachers running away. |
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Location: Daegu, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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twospoonsmv wrote: |
hondaicivic wrote: |
twospoonsmv wrote: |
pkjh wrote: |
winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
Not sure how true this is, but it is more likely to happen in Seoul and area. Aim for the provinces, kids are easier to control and you'll have a better time than you think. |
Well I would like to know from people who are Asian American and teaching in South Korea. What kind of experiences did they have and what type of problems did they run into if any.
Hear say doesn't help. |
I'm asian american of chinese/vietnamese descend and I'm in the EPIK program. They put me in Daegu and in one of the rich area of the city. My apartment is like 3 times the size of most EPIK teacher. I've been here for three weeks, been enjoying it so far. Everyone thinks I'm korean and have gone up to me and start talking in korean. Sorry to disappoint them, oh well. I saw a good amount of asian americans in the EPIK program, especially in Daegu, which is a big city. |
Thanks for the insight....
Can I ask which recruiter you went with??? |
I used Oxford Korea. Type that in google, I think you'll find it. |
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barbaricyip
Joined: 30 Apr 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm biracial Japanese/Caucasian and frequently get mistaken for a gyopo, or my roomie's token "Korean friend". I didn't actually expect this at all - where I grew up, there are a huge amount of mixed-race folks (compared to other areas of the States), so while living there I was easily coded for not being one or the other. But where I went to school (NYC), where there was still a decent amount of mixed-race individuals in the population, people usually assumed I was white. Sometimes they would add on later that, "Oh, I figured you must be some sort of ethnic," but I couldn't ever tell if that was genuine or backpedaling.
Anyway, I assumed Koreans would think I was white, but I guess not! Aside from the assumptions out on the street, the kids often forget that I don't speak Korean and have to be reminded to ask me important questions in English. I was also warned about the whole Japanese thing, given the recent sordid history, but I haven't gotten any bad juju out of anyone knowing that I'm half-Japanese, even when they find out that I speak the language passably well and have my full Japanese name squished between my white one.
In conclusion - general population is sparkly-awesome, but there's always going to be some jerk somewhere waiting to be a jerk, whether because you're Asian, Caucasian, or from the moon. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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winterfall wrote: |
northway wrote: |
Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.
Example:
10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.
4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school
4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school
Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend |
There's a reason I said "tend to be" and "a bit more reasonable" as compared to hagwons. I didn't say anything about the PS hiring system being some bastion of equality. |
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