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twospoonsmv



Joined: 16 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hondaicivic wrote:
twospoonsmv wrote:
hondaicivic wrote:
twospoonsmv wrote:
pkjh wrote:
winterfall wrote:
northway wrote:


Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.


I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.

Example:

10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.

4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school

4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school

Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend

Not sure how true this is, but it is more likely to happen in Seoul and area. Aim for the provinces, kids are easier to control and you'll have a better time than you think.



Well I would like to know from people who are Asian American and teaching in South Korea. What kind of experiences did they have and what type of problems did they run into if any.

Hear say doesn't help.



I'm asian american of chinese/vietnamese descend and I'm in the EPIK program. They put me in Daegu and in one of the rich area of the city. My apartment is like 3 times the size of most EPIK teacher. I've been here for three weeks, been enjoying it so far. Everyone thinks I'm korean and have gone up to me and start talking in korean. Sorry to disappoint them, oh well. I saw a good amount of asian americans in the EPIK program, especially in Daegu, which is a big city.


Thanks for the insight....

Can I ask which recruiter you went with???



I used Oxford Korea. Type that in google, I think you'll find it.


Is this the website you are referring to


http://www.oxfordseminars.com/
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mimi belle



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters want to work with who their clients are asking for, as well as what is easiest for them to place. Just look for a different one if that's what you are getting. There are recruiters who have been telling people not to bother if they're over a certain age. I guess the general theory going around these days is that if you're good-looking and young, you'll get placed sooner. If you're wondering why the preference? Hagwons (after-school cram programs) offer private lessons that parents pay for voluntarily. It seems that some mothers prefer their kids to learn from westerners who "look" western.

Do you have all your paperwork together? In case you didn't know, there's a lot of paperwork you need. (Diploma, criminal record check, etc.) If you have yours ready, that seems to help too.

If you're interested in going through EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE then I think they are taking applications now for early 2011 placement. These are public school placement programs. If you want to go this way, look into Korvia. They seem to have a decent rep. (I believe you can also apply on your own.) One thing to know - I think you cannot apply to the same program through different recruiters or you'll be disqualified. For example, only apply to EPIK once. You can apply to different programs though. FYI, SMOE is for public schools in Seoul. GEPIK for Gyeongi which is the province outside Seoul. EPIK is for the rest of korea. But look into this yourself. You'll find other threads here with more info.

If you need a job sooner, then you probably do need to keep trying different recruiters or look for job listings on your own.
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twospoonsmv



Joined: 16 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mimi belle wrote:
Recruiters want to work with who their clients are asking for, as well as what is easiest for them to place. Just look for a different one if that's what you are getting. There are recruiters who have been telling people not to bother if they're over a certain age. I guess the general theory going around these days is that if you're good-looking and young, you'll get placed sooner. If you're wondering why the preference? Hagwons (after-school cram programs) offer private lessons that parents pay for voluntarily. It seems that some mothers prefer their kids to learn from westerners who "look" western.

Do you have all your paperwork together? In case you didn't know, there's a lot of paperwork you need. (Diploma, criminal record check, etc.) If you have yours ready, that seems to help too.

If you're interested in going through EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE then I think they are taking applications now for early 2011 placement. These are public school placement programs. If you want to go this way, look into Korvia. They seem to have a decent rep. (I believe you can also apply on your own.) One thing to know - I think you cannot apply to the same program through different recruiters or you'll be disqualified. For example, only apply to EPIK once. You can apply to different programs though. FYI, SMOE is for public schools in Seoul. GEPIK for Gyeongi which is the province outside Seoul. EPIK is for the rest of korea. But look into this yourself. You'll find other threads here with more info.

If you need a job sooner, then you probably do need to keep trying different recruiters or look for job listings on your own.


Thanks for the information.

I have the following....

degree(s)
transcripts
background check
passport
extra passport size photos


From my understanding you cannot really get a visa until you have been offer a position....
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hondaicivic



Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twospoonsmv wrote:
hondaicivic wrote:
twospoonsmv wrote:
hondaicivic wrote:
twospoonsmv wrote:
pkjh wrote:
winterfall wrote:
northway wrote:


Public schools tend to be a bit more reasonable in their hires, and aren't so quick to demand that your family came over on the Mayflower.


I've got to disagree with you on that. PS can't discriminate in hiring practice but there's definitely discrimination in placement. At least that has been my experience. If your not white, your much, much more likely to get an inner city school.

Example:

10 new teachers. None of em have experience, same age, gender, nationality, and none of em are english or education majors. 5 are gyopos, 5 are foreigners.

4 of the 5 gyopos will be the first FT at a tech school. The last gyopo will go to a non tech school but will also get a low level school

4 of the 5 foreigners will go to medium to high achievement schools in elementary, middle, and high school. The last foreigner may go to a medium-low level school

Of course some slip through the cracks and don't follow the general trend

Not sure how true this is, but it is more likely to happen in Seoul and area. Aim for the provinces, kids are easier to control and you'll have a better time than you think.



Well I would like to know from people who are Asian American and teaching in South Korea. What kind of experiences did they have and what type of problems did they run into if any.

Hear say doesn't help.



I'm asian american of chinese/vietnamese descend and I'm in the EPIK program. They put me in Daegu and in one of the rich area of the city. My apartment is like 3 times the size of most EPIK teacher. I've been here for three weeks, been enjoying it so far. Everyone thinks I'm korean and have gone up to me and start talking in korean. Sorry to disappoint them, oh well. I saw a good amount of asian americans in the EPIK program, especially in Daegu, which is a big city.


Thanks for the insight....

Can I ask which recruiter you went with???



I used Oxford Korea. Type that in google, I think you'll find it.


Is this the website you are referring to


http://www.oxfordseminars.com/



No it's this one http://www.epikseoul.com/
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rookieglobetrotter



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm part asian american and have worked in PS for almost 2 years. I am a bit tanner than the average korean but some still think I am Korean and for any racist ones I ignore them or give them a whatchalookinatfool look.

I know and have seen other asian americans in the PS orientations so that would probably be the best bet. I haven't taught at a uni or a good hagwon although (I would like to try) so I can't really speak from that position.

I think if you get everything really early, show that you are flexible on your apps, be organized and have all your docs in multiples and in order. The picture is also very important you send, I heard even Koreans like lighten their pictures lol. But anyway yeah just be open-minded, flexible, and have a good attitude so it looks like you work well with kids and you have a good shot. Honestly if I learned more Korean (which I am slowly doing) I could prob fit right in here like a local.

Then again I am not sure how the job markets are looking here but doesnt hurt to get apps in early. I'm looking to go back to the US when the economy recovers too, anyone know when that will be, haha
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jizza



Joined: 24 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know for a fact that there are Asian-Americans teaching English in Seoul, many of whom aren't as qualified degree-wise as you are. Heck, there are black Americans here teaching English. What makes you think you can't?
(Not that blacks can't, just that they're probably discriminated against even more than South Asians are and yet they're still here doing fine)

Go for it, OP. You may face discrimination at some places but if you really want to work in Korea, just be persistent and make it so.

Be super-prepared, flexible, and present yourself well and you'll find something eventually. Goodluck.

I'm Asian-American btw and have worked at an academy for >1 year.
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Caffeinated



Joined: 11 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of Asian-Americans at the public school orientation, including gyopos and Vietnamese, Filipino, Japanese descent from what I could tell.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my two pennies worth,

i know a guy who is chinese/english - school love him
a girl from thailand - school love her
a girl from taiwan - everyone loves her (including me)
and ive know a few korean/americans who dont seem to have had any problems other than they got paid a bit less (cos of a visa or something which i didnt really want to delve into).
A Cambodian/american girl - she was just another girl with the same problems as all girls
etc etc.
in short i dont think any of them had it any worse than I do on the whole.




these are just my observations/experiences of meeting asians from outside of korea.
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grant gerstners



Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: USA

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Filipino-American. My father was European-American and my mother is from the Philippines. I got a job through JJ recruiting. I was told I would enhance my chances of getting a job if I was willing to work in a rural area, which is exactly where I ended up. I considered my age the bigger obstacle (I am almost 48 years old and I arrived in South Korea early in June).

I know a Vietnamese-American in her 20's from Philadelphia working at a Hakwon in Gwangju.

You shoudn't have any problems getting a job.
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kissdisap



Joined: 19 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife & I are Chinese-American and are currently working with SMOE. Met a lot of other Asians at our orientation - Vietnamese, Koreans, Chinese, Filipino, etc. I don't think you'll have any problems...

Then again, my only experience is with the public school system. I'm sure the hagwons will have different hiring requirements...
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millyfrend



Joined: 29 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: can american asians teach in south korea? Reply with quote

It's probably better for you to teach in South Korea. Sometimes bad things happens like the economy and you take it as a good thing. Think positive. You get a job in South Korea, you get to try new food, see new people, experience things you wouldn't experience in the U.S.

Everyone is different, so opinions and views are different. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it yourself.

twospoonsmv wrote:
Hello everyone

This is my first post. I am also in the beginning stage of applying for jobs in South Korea. I am Asian American, speak English fluently--English is my first language, hold a b.s. and masters. Due to the economy, student loans, and of course an interest in South Korea I have decide to teach for a year or so until the economy gets back in shape.

I was doing some research on recruiters, locations, jobs, etc. I found this one particular recruiting who stated that if you are Asian then chances of getting a teaching position in Korea is slim to none. I am not sure if this is base on facts but it just sounds a bit odd to me.

Is there any validity to this statement or does it varies from location, schools, and recruiter?

Any advice would truly be appreciated. Thank in advance for your time.
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natalia930



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting the impression that race isn't a super big deal if you are working in public school...I'm shooting for a hagwon job, I'm also half Filipina half Caucasian - anyone have stories out there about being biracial and working (or failing to land a job) at a hagwon?
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twospoonsmv



Joined: 16 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

natalia930 wrote:
I'm getting the impression that race isn't a super big deal if you are working in public school...I'm shooting for a hagwon job, I'm also half Filipina half Caucasian - anyone have stories out there about being biracial and working (or failing to land a job) at a hagwon?


Yeah that's what I'm getting too. Public schools does not discriminate so why should private schools discriminate. odd.

Anyone who is asian american has any experience with private schools? which recruiter did you go with? how helpful were they?
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northway



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twospoonsmv wrote:
Yeah that's what I'm getting too. Public schools does not discriminate so why should private schools discriminate. odd.


Hagwons aren't schools, they're private for-profit academies. They're selling the image of an English education as much as they're selling an education. One of the ways in which they try to do this is to make their teachers look the way Koreans imagine English-speaking foreigners (in particular Americans) to look, which is to say: white, blonde, and blue-eyed.

Public schools are (ostensibly) more interested in education, and thus (officially) don't care about the color of one's skin or the tint of one's hair.
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natalia930



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feeling anxious/discouraged. Have teaching experience (though not english - don't a lot of environmental ed/science teaching in classrooms) - is this going to count for ANYTHING? Or should I just photoshop my hair so its blonde -_-
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