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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
The disturbed behavior of these 아저씨s 아주마s is less indicative of Korean culture at large than is the lack of open condemnation from those around them. Signs of change can be seen within the current wave teens to twenty-somethings who flock to forums and blogs to criticize this outdated and bastardized Confucianism, so hopefully in twenty years or so it'll be a rare occurence to see old men berate passersby and old women pushing and shoving their way into empty (or occupied) seats with impunity. |
In other words, when someone back home does some sort of nutball public stunt they are just a nutball. When a Korean does it it has everything to do with their culture.
Besides what were people supposed to do about it? It was free speech.
Girls in bikinis showed more skin than him and I'm sure we support that. I'm willing to bet many people there thought it was stupid and ridiculous, a few chuckled or something and most just shrugged and continued on their day.
Same as anywhere else.
What were the people supposed to organize a candlelight vigil against teh pants dropper?
If some guy named Michale Moore does the same thing and he's protesting the War in Iraq he's a hero to millions.
Someone throws a shoe at Bush and he's a hero and no one is screaming culture.
Good grief, can't a nutball just be a nutball these days? |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| In other words, when someone back home does some sort of nutball public stunt they are just a nutball. When a Korean does it it has everything to do with their culture. |
Er, no, that's not what I said. The behavior of the eccentrics here is not indicative of Korean culture. The refusal of bystanders and public figures to step in and attempt to put a stop to it simply because these people are elderly (and Korean), however, is.
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| What were the people supposed to organize a candlelight vigil against teh pants dropper? |
I must have missed this; I thought the only wackos under discussion were the elevator-rammer and the subway-K1 할머니? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| In other words, when someone back home does some sort of nutball public stunt they are just a nutball. When a Korean does it it has everything to do with their culture. |
Er, no, that's not what I said. The behavior of the eccentrics here is not indicative of Korean culture. The refusal of bystanders and public figures to step in and attempt to put a stop to it simply because these people are elderly (and Korean), however, is.
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| What were the people supposed to organize a candlelight vigil against teh pants dropper? |
I must have missed this; I thought the only wackos under discussion were the elevator-rammer and the subway-K1 할머니? |
Oh, I thought you were referring to the Pants-Dropper and not the wheelchair guy.
I still maintain that bystanders are not a uniquely Korean phenomenon, that we don't know why the people watching refused to intervene.
I mean I think most of us if we saw this going on would react with a sort of disbelief until the guy fell through.
To ascribe culture to fringe incidents like these is a real stretch. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I still maintain that bystanders are not a uniquely Korean phenomenon, that we don't know why the people watching refused to intervene.
I mean I think most of us if we saw this going on would react with a sort of disbelief until the guy fell through. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I still maintain that bystanders are not a uniquely Korean phenomenon, that we don't know why the people watching refused to intervene. |
I'm speaking more generally. The behavior (rather than these particular individuals at the time of the incidents) is never criticized; that's why I mentioned public figures. As I said before, the attitude of the younger generation shows serious signs of change. My Korean girlfriend, to offer one example, after making several trips to the US with me, has become disgusted with how the elderly here tend to act. She's still too traditional to say something when some bag of wrinkles with a bad perm pushes her or someone else out of the way, but at least now she realizes that other places do things differently and *gasp* better.
As for the bystanders, that's something that still boggles my mind (I know this happens everywhere; don't some US states and European countries have laws against inaction under certain circumstances?). I can understand being slow to react, but a complete refusal to act is just too foreign a concept.
I've yelled at kids here tormenting pigeons and other animals in parks full of people willfully ignoring the little sh*ts. I've snapped at people pushing me and others in my group on the subway. Apparently I do this sort of thing so much that my Korean friends have stopped telling me when people say or do something rude to them until we're well away for fear that I might say something. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| I feel like the Korean bystander thing is largely because their society is so urbanized. I only know Seoul particularly well, but I don't feel like people here behave any differently than people in any other big city I've spent time in. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| What is the secret to actually see the video? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| What is the secret to actually see the video? |
First play some Price is Right music.
Then when he falls make sure you hear "Buh Bump Buh Buh....waoooo" |
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GreenlightmeansGO
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Location: Daegu
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:10 am Post subject: |
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With added footage! |
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