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Private Tutoring - why illegal?
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jack_b57



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Private Tutoring - why illegal? Reply with quote

Why is private tutoring considered illegal in Korea? Just wondering what the rationale is. Wouldn't it incentivise hagwons and recruiters to be more legit knowing people could get an alternate form of income?

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northway



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would Korea want to incentivise hagwons to be more legit? Their owners and overlords participate politically, we don't. And it's not like the horrible plight of English teachers is going to attract massive negative publicity for the country.

That said, I don't understand why they're as stringent about it as they are. The mother of one of my kindies asked me to give him privates, and seemed genuinely distraught when I said I legally couldn't, saying she just wanted to get private lessons for her son but didn't know how to do so. The market is there, people want the privates, yet the law disallows it (perhaps because it's essentially untaxable income).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private tutoring is illegal only if the income is not reported to the government. It is perfectly legal to tutor privately if you are registered with the Tax Office and all income is reported. Same in all countries; the government wants all income reported and taxed.

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BigBuds



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koharski wrote:
Private tutoring is illegal only if the income is not reported to the government. It is perfectly legal to tutor privately if you are registered with the Tax Office and all income is reported. Same in all countries; the government wants all income reported and taxed.

Koharski


But under the conditions of an E-2 visa it is illegal no matter what.

F series visa can do it legally however, as long as it is reported and you have a tutors license from the department of education.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koharski wrote:
Private tutoring is illegal only if the income is not reported to the government. It is perfectly legal to tutor privately if you are registered with the Tax Office and all income is reported. Same in all countries; the government wants all income reported and taxed.

Koharski


That is only true for F-visa holders.

E2 visa holders cannot register to teach private lessons nor get permission to do them. That visa does not allow it.

On an E2, you are allowed to work a second location with permission from your sponsor/main employer. That second job has to fullfill certain criteria as well.
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Skyblue



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do many E2 folks do it and fly under the radar?
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Netz



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skyblue wrote:
Do many E2 folks do it and fly under the radar?


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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netz wrote:
Skyblue wrote:
Do many E2 folks do it and fly under the radar?


IBL



Care to elaborate on that?
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Hatcher



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: 3 main reasons Reply with quote

Privates are illegal because Koreans want everyone to have an equal shot at the top unis. The rich can afford the top tutors so.... In fact, 60% of SNU students come from rich families.

The next one is taxes.

A major reason why 2nd jobs are not permitted is that KOreans dont like, most would say hate, it when foreigners here make a lot of money.

At my uni, the K profs all monitor how much the westerners make. I have heard lots of stories where westerners have had their salary decreased because they were making too much.
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northway



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 main reasons Reply with quote

Hatcher wrote:
Privates are illegal because Koreans want everyone to have an equal shot at the top unis. The rich can afford the top tutors so.... In fact, 60% of SNU students come from rich families.


They can get private English lessons from someone on an F-visa, or private lessons in whatever else from Koreans, but can't get private lessons from someone on an E-2. I don't think this argument really holds water, even if it is the official rationale.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 main reasons Reply with quote

Hatcher wrote:
Privates are illegal because Koreans want everyone to have an equal shot at the top unis. The rich can afford the top tutors so.... In fact, 60% of SNU students come from rich families.

The next one is taxes.

A major reason why 2nd jobs are not permitted is that KOreans dont like, most would say hate, it when foreigners here make a lot of money.

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Except that even E-2's are legally permitted to have a 2nd job so that argument doesn't hold water. And F-2 and F-5's can legally teach privates and make as much money as they want. Most Koreans don't really care how much money foreigners make. Or there wouldn't be a demand for foreigners in schools or privates from them.
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jack_b57



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm glad the government gives a lot of legal scrutiny to private tutoring on an E2, just as they do to, say, the sex industry. (insert sarcastic laugh here)

But seriously, maybe instead of tutoring, maybe people can just have "coffee". And the conversation will be in English, of course. And after I pay for both cups of coffee, the student will pay me back. And (oops!) the student might "accidentally" overpay me for this coffee by a few ten-thousand won. I would call it "English coffee".

I have no idea where I came up with this idea. "Massage" anyone?
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

E-2 visa holders CAN work second jobs with permission. Now, how many people have ever been given permission? (yeah yeah, i know, everyone knows someone who's done it, whetever, we all know it's extremely rare to get permission).

OP, the reason why you can't do it is because it's the law. Compare the visa rules here to Japan. They are much more archaic here, tilted in favor of the employer. That's just the way it is, don't bother asking why.

Also, you want to teach illegally, fine, do it, but just know that 1) it's illegal, 2) if you're caught you will be fined heavily, 3) you make foreigners look bad by breaking the law. You want to try and be clever, it won't work. They'll see through it and you'll get bitten.

Just my 2 cents.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
E-2 visa holders CAN work second jobs with permission. Now, how many people have ever been given permission? (yeah yeah, i know, everyone knows someone who's done it, whetever, we all know it's extremely rare to get permission).



Applied for it twice and got it both times. As long as the criteria for the second job fits Immigration's requirements it's fine.

It's not that rare...just that most hakwon directors don't want you to work for a competitor.

But there are quite a few people who work at a public school and then work at an after-hours program at the same or another school...and they don't even need permission from Immigration. And yes they are E-2's.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
nathanrutledge wrote:
E-2 visa holders CAN work second jobs with permission. Now, how many people have ever been given permission? (yeah yeah, i know, everyone knows someone who's done it, whetever, we all know it's extremely rare to get permission).



Applied for it twice and got it both times. As long as the criteria for the second job fits Immigration's requirements it's fine.



And one of the criteria is permission from your employer. As you pointed out, most directors don't want you working for a competitor. I know it's doable, but it's not common.
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