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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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Not sure, I-ve been living in the world of TEFL so long it's hard to tell fact from fiction 
Anyways, jsut look at the double eyelid surgery, it's something like 80%, that's what my postdoc plastic surgeon designer told me in class. You don't get that in the West, do you? |
No, the West is the kingdom of liposuction because folks just can't put down the fork. So, Korea has an obsession with double eyelids while America has an obsession with wanting to be slim, but being unable to achieve that naturally.
Looking at the two, Koreans want something that nature hasn't provided....understandable from a certain perspective. Americans want something that they have the ability to achieve, yet don't want to do what it takes to get it.
I am not down with either procedure, just pointing out some differences. |
I agree, needles and doctors make me squeamish. I can't imagine getting the fat sucked out of me. I have thought aout a breast reduction after having kids, but I don't know if I could handle it. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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My job, as well as many of my colleagues and friends in other positions aren't going anywhere.
There is always a reason when someone is axed; sometimes personal, sometimes just business, but nobody who has made themselves valuable is let go of. |
How long have you been at your "irreplaceable" job may I ask?
With all due respect languistic, teaching ESL, though I love it, is not a rare or difficult skill to learn. I am sure that there are very many excellent teachers in Korea with MA TESOLs that are as good or better than you. And more and more people are getting their MAs every day. Just have a look at this board.
Everyone is replaceable. |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| No offense, but why would you stay that long in a job if you thought it was non-tenured? Why didn't you try to find a tenured one? |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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FYI, I, nor probably you if you are in Korea, teach ESL. I reckon this knowledge to be the beginning of the gulf between those who think it easy and those who know it isn't.
You shouldn't equate higher education to better performance. I never claimed my MA made me good; I was good before getting it.  |
??? Not following you here. Don't kid yourself, job security is not something I feel warm and squishy about here. Having said that, you always got to be looking to the next job, or updating your skills, or schmoozing the boss, that's what it takes in this, if not all, countries |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Epik_Teacher wrote: |
| No offense, but why would you stay that long in a job if you thought it was non-tenured? Why didn't you try to find a tenured one? |
I know people with an MA that have been on E1 visas for longer than 5 years. If the school wants to keep you, they will. "Transfer" from E2 to E1 happens, but it is usually with a change of employers. People stay on a non-tenure track because they still make good money, get 5 months of vacation, and can swing private lessons for extra income. Others get married to a Korean and the visa and privates get even easier. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| The only 5-year thing I can think of is that you can appy for residency after you have worked for the same place for 5 years. 2 years for being married, 5 years for working the same place. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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I don't agree wit you languistic. Korea does not and neither does any country work solely along the rational lines you are talking about.
The OP is talking about a situation where people much higher up in his University's chain of command decided to refresh the department. The people who made that decision did not know him nor do they want to.
If you don't think that is a common practice in Korea just look at High Schools, Elementary and Middle Schools in Korea - the teachers must all move on after 5 years good job or not. So I am not surprised if Un iversities start to think this is a good idea too for whatever reason with their non-tenured teaching staffs.
The most one can do is remain highly qualified and build on their experience. If one is let go it should be easy to get another job. We are no longer living in the "job-for-life" 1950's. You cannot expect your employer to syat around for as long as you want them to nor to want to employ yu for as long as you want. Firms upsize, downsize, clean out, and change policies.
It is the world deal with it. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| languistic wrote: |
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??? Not following you here. Don't kid yourself, job security is not something I feel warm and squishy about here. Having said that, you always got to be looking to the next job, or updating your skills, or schmoozing the boss, that's what it takes in this, if not all, countries |
Not sure what you don't follow.
I am not kidding myself regarding your feelings about your job security. I however, have my own ideas about what makes a job secure. Good work, stability, consistency in teaching and in character and sure, not making enemies with colleagues or those who are in a position of authority; these are good methods of keeping your job. If something happens outside of these things, then they are out of your control and as such, one shouldn't worry about them.
This sounds so sanctimonious, I realize, but what I am saying is not rocket science; doing what you can to ensure your job remains yours is necessary for many. I am not a spring chicken; I have a family that counts on me, so I do what I can to guarantee tomorrow and what I am doing is as much as I can do, and it works. My main point is that a solid performer is not typically let go of and that hard work is rewarded by more work in the form of security. So long as my job needs teachers and I maintain my level of work, nothing will change for me for the worse. Common sense says this, no? How can one argue against this?
However, if you wish to think that nobody is safe, we should all live in fear of tomorrow's unemployment and that there is nothing we can do to stop the axe, then by all means, live that way. I can't imagine doing so personally, but if it works for you, then all the power to you. Hopelessness is not a paradigm conducive to a happy life. |
Could you explain what you mean by "solid performer?"
Does being a solid performer mean that you provide free services outside your contractual responsiblities? |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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themagicbean
Joined: 04 Feb 2009
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You know on the ATEK forums there's an associate of Kangnam Labor Law that answers these kinds of questions by referring to the actual labor standards act and his experience ...
The only relevant statute is the one that specifies when you become a permanent employee, maybe you should email one of your colleagues ... ^^ |
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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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So Languistic, out of curiousity, what do you teach? It is quite rare to teach something in this country that is not "English-themed".
Some people call themselves "Business Professors" for example, but it is really just Business English. |
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