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margaretmary
Joined: 08 Jun 2010
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 Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: Re: WTF is an �Apostilled Degree� anyway? |
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| Hawkeye Pierce wrote: |
An apostilled degree means one of Jesus Christ's twelve apostles has ceritified that it is authentic. There is still some debate whether Paul was truly one of apostles, so try to get one of the other eleven to ceritfy the degree. Try to avoid Judas too, since he isn't trustworthy.
Now in theory, Christ himself should be able to certify the degree, since he outranks all of his apostles. However, Korea is not all that Christian, so this could be a problem too.
If you went to a Catholic university, in theory the Pope may be able to help as well. If you send the document to the Vatican, they may be able to put a stamp on it that looks real nice, and keep Kimi happy. |
That's brilliant! |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| millyfrend wrote: |
| So your apostille didn't expire? |
Why would it expire? |
I graduated university 20 years ago, I have not set foot on campus in more than 15 years.
When Korean Immigration was using the transcript rules, they said transcripts somehow expired for no good reason after a few months. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| passport220 wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| millyfrend wrote: |
| So your apostille didn't expire? |
Why would it expire? |
I graduated university 20 years ago, I have not set foot on campus in more than 15 years.
When Korean Immigration was using the transcript rules, they said transcripts somehow expired for no good reason after a few months. |
I have half a dozen transcripts from 2008/2009. I sent one of these to immigration in September of this year and it was accepted. No mention of outdated transcripts or anything. |
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millyfrend
Joined: 29 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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How does transcripts expire? It's your personal record, it doesn't change. That's odd.
| passport220 wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| millyfrend wrote: |
| So your apostille didn't expire? |
Why would it expire? |
I graduated university 20 years ago, I have not set foot on campus in more than 15 years.
When Korean Immigration was using the transcript rules, they said transcripts somehow expired for no good reason after a few months. |
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twospoonsmv
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| passport220 wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| millyfrend wrote: |
| So your apostille didn't expire? |
Why would it expire? |
I graduated university 20 years ago, I have not set foot on campus in more than 15 years.
When Korean Immigration was using the transcript rules, they said transcripts somehow expired for no good reason after a few months. |
Maybe the copy of your transcript has expire. But there is not expiration to a transcript. Try asking the college/university to print a new official copy and submit that one. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| millyfrend wrote: |
How does transcripts expire? It's your personal record, it doesn't change. That's odd.
| passport220 wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| millyfrend wrote: |
| So your apostille didn't expire? |
Why would it expire? |
I graduated university 20 years ago, I have not set foot on campus in more than 15 years.
When Korean Immigration was using the transcript rules, they said transcripts somehow expired for no good reason after a few months. |
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That is my point, transcripts don't expire. However, under the old Korean Immigration office rules they did after 3 months. If you look back under old treads you can find plenty of discussion about this. I don't want to post the old rule here now, it would could just confuse people.
To be clear I have read no indication at this point that a apostilled diploma will expire in the eyes of K- Immigration. I was just pointing out, given the track record of how K-immigration views documents, to question if they will expire in the future is not so a silly. |
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SandyG21
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I know where in my state to get documents Apostilled.
Still trying to find out where to get official authentication or notarizing done.
Played phone tag for hours asking any one and everyone in my county court house where to get notarizing and authentication on documents if I need them. They rotated me from office to office - no one knew what I was talking about!
I did find out my University will notarize their own documents and they will send their own documents to the state to do apostilling (of course charging a hefty extra fee).
It woud actually cost me less to just send the documents to my state office myself.
Meanwhile still waiting for the FBI CBC.
I really want to teach in Korea - but other countries sure make it easier to be documented! |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| SandyG21 wrote: |
...Still trying to find out where to get official authentication or notarizing done.
...I did find out my University will notarize their own documents and they will send their own documents to the state to do apostilling (of course charging a hefty extra fee)... |
The Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) who seem to be overwhelmed right now, or your university is the only one who can do a authentication of your university diploma. If your university has agreed to do it, you are golden. |
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SandyG21
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Universities don't authenticate or apostille - they notarize - then for a large fee they send the diploma (and their own documents) to the apostille office in my state.
However I still have other documents that must be notarized and then apostilled - and the University will not do those.
I cannot find a clerk in my county who notarizes documents - yes the bank will do it - but they are not a government official.
Is there a lawyer who will do it for a large fee? Yes - but they are not a government official.
I live in a small town in a small county - and they have no clue as to what I am requesting and why - and no one here in my area has answers! |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| SandyG21 wrote: |
Universities don't authenticate or apostille - they notarize - then for a large fee they send the diploma (and their own documents) to the apostille office in my state.
However I still have other documents that must be notarized and then apostilled - and the University will not do those.
I cannot find a clerk in my county who notarizes documents - yes the bank will do it - but they are not a government official.
Is there a lawyer who will do it for a large fee? Yes - but they are not a government official.
I live in a small town in a small county - and they have no clue as to what I am requesting and why - and no one here in my area has answers! |
I'm beginning to see the wisdom behind all the hoops to getting an E-2 visa. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| SandyG21 wrote: |
Universities don't authenticate or apostille - they notarize - then for a large fee they send the diploma (and their own documents) to the apostille office in my state.
However I still have other documents that must be notarized and then apostilled - and the University will not do those.
I cannot find a clerk in my county who notarizes documents - yes the bank will do it - but they are not a government official.
Is there a lawyer who will do it for a large fee? Yes - but they are not a government official.
I live in a small town in a small county - and they have no clue as to what I am requesting and why - and no one here in my area has answers! |
A Notary Public does nothing more than check a person's ID and certify to their best knowledge that the person who signs a document is who they say they are. If someone at your university signs your diploma to say it is real � in the eyes of Korean Immigration, it has been authenticated. The notary process just says the university official who signed off is who they say they are. The apostille process does nothing more than do a check to say the Notary Public is in good standing.
-You have a document �authenticated� by the agency who produced the document.
-You have a document �notarized� by a common public official you can find at City Hall, Banks, Atty. Offices, etc. - small fee
-You have a document �apostillized� by the state official in your state, usually part of the Secretary of States office.
Your diploma needs to be both "authenticated" and notarized together at your university, as the Notary Public has to verify that the university offical who signs your diploma is who they say they are. It should not be a big deal, as most universities will have a member of staff who is also a Notary Public.
I wonder if the large fees you are quoted come from asking someone to do something they do not usually do. My fees where $16 for the diploma, $3 to have it notarized (by a member of the university staff who is also a notary), $4 to have apostillized. I had 2 copies made, so times two for everything.
My biggest cost was $60 in Fedex charges to have the final diploma shipped to me overseas.
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| passport220 wrote: |
-You have a document �authenticated� by the agency who produced the document.
-You have a document �notarized� by a common public official you can find at City Hall, Banks, Atty. Offices, etc. - small fee
-You have a document �apostillized� by the state official in your state, usually part of the Secretary of States office.
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You would think that after four years of college someone wouldn't need basic definitions spelled out for them. I'm sure she'll do just fine if she ever makes it here. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| passport220 wrote: |
-You have a document �authenticated� by the agency who produced the document.
-You have a document �notarized� by a common public official you can find at City Hall, Banks, Atty. Offices, etc. - small fee
-You have a document �apostillized� by the state official in your state, usually part of the Secretary of States office.
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You would think that after four years of college someone wouldn't need basic definitions spelled out for them. I'm sure she'll do just fine if she ever makes it here. |
I don't know. It is really just bureaucratic stuff that no one learns in college. Unless you have experience in business transactions (most fresh university grads do not). There is no real reason to use this stuff.
I am 46 years old, with alot of banking and government experience, I was a Notary Public and a City Manager of two small cities. I did not know about the apostille process until just a few months ago when I started looking into a Korean E-2 visa! |
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SandyG21
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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As I said yes my University will do this for a large fee for their own documents.
For other documents they will not do this.
I can find no government officials to do this in my county.
In fact I spent the day playing phone tag with everyone in my county clerk/recorders office who said they had no idea what I was talking about had NEVER heard of authenticating documents or notarizing documents and had never heard of apostilles.
So my diploma and school documents - I know where to go.
I know my state can apostille.
However some documents need authenticating and notariziing - I was told a bank notary CANNOT notarize because it must be a government official.
Side note is some of the people at my court house actually think we are at war with South Korea!
Elections are next week too - so yes I plan to help vote!
I am very happy some of you can get documents cheaply - but each person here has to go to their University and their city and or state for this and there is a wide variety of costs for each of us.
There are multiple threads on Daves asking questions about these issues - many of us are trying to understand what we need for documents and how to go about getting the authenticating, notarizing and apostilling accomplished.
For instance some people have stated they can use scanned or digitized fingerprints for Korea - however in my state we cannot - they will not apostille scanned or digitized prints in my state. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| SandyG21 wrote: |
As I said yes my University will do this for a large fee for their own documents.
For other documents they will not do this.
I can find no government officials to do this in my county.
In fact I spent the day playing phone tag with everyone in my county clerk/recorders office who said they had no idea what I was talking about had NEVER heard of authenticating documents or notarizing documents and had never heard of apostilles.
So my diploma and school documents - I know where to go.
I know my state can apostille.
However some documents need authenticating and notariziing - I was told a bank notary CANNOT notarize because it must be a government official.
Side note is some of the people at my court house actually think we are at war with South Korea!
Elections are next week too - so yes I plan to help vote!
I am very happy some of you can get documents cheaply - but each person here has to go to their University and their city and or state for this and there is a wide variety of costs for each of us.
There are multiple threads on Daves asking questions about these issues - many of us are trying to understand what we need for documents and how to go about getting the authenticating, notarizing and apostilling accomplished.
For instance some people have stated they can use scanned or digitized fingerprints for Korea - however in my state we cannot - they will not apostille scanned or digitized prints in my state. |
If you can get your university to give you a copy of your diploma, with a short statement written on it, that the diploma is authentic, have a university official sign the statement (low level official is okay) and have that signature notarized on campus, I think you are well on your way. What is the fee they quote to do this?
There is a procedure described in threads here on Dave's to have your FBI background check done, other than that, what other documents do you need �authenticated�?
I agree it is a pain in the ass, I just try to look at the bright side and know once you have the documents in hand it is a barrier to entry to the Korean ESL market. A shame emphasis on teaching experience and qualification will take a backseat, but salaries will be protected with this barrier. In the end, you and I will be paid better because we went through the hoops to get this damn paperwork.
BTW, the locals in your area might be on to something. I bet a sneak attack right now would really catch the South Koreans with their pants down! |
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