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Non-Teaching Jobs - do they exist?
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jack_b57



Joined: 02 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:00 am    Post subject: Non-Teaching Jobs - do they exist? Reply with quote

For foreigners on both E and F visas, are there any nonteaching jobs in this country? If there are, is the percentage extremely low? Like, under 10% of foreigners doing nonteaching type work?

I mean, I'm sure there are some, but it seems all the job boards list mostly teaching or teaching related jobs. Does anyone know how to go about finding these nonteaching jobs, if they exist?
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have met many foreigners here from Europe and North America doing jobs that have nothing related to English teaching. They do however have specific skills (engineering etc) and were recruited out of their home countries.They are on expatriate contracts and are not economic migrants like the most of us ESLers

I've met a few ESL teachers that broke into a company but their work revolves around, yes, English teaching, training editing etc.

Like myself you are trying to break into one of the hardest job markets in the world as a foreigner without any specific skills other than your ability to speak English as a native speaker. Finding anything else in country that has nothing to do with English is possible but ridiculously tough.
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youtuber



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any skill besides teaching English that you can do and Koreans cannot?

The answer for most people is no, which is why most of us are English monkeys.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

youtuber wrote:
Is there any skill besides teaching English that you can do and Koreans cannot?

The answer for most people is no, which is why most of us are English monkeys.


Exactly. In this case, if you have an F visa, you might get a look-in. Otherwise, you wouldn't get a working visa, let alone the job.
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kumoh



Joined: 05 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot Smile
Come to R&D centers, semiconductor and electronic companies you can meet them very easily, unfortunately this forum users are mostly English teachers.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sometimes the big esl publishers like oxford and cambridge will advertise here looking for foreigners to work full time for them. thing is you have to be very qualified (ma tesol++) and have some sort of publishing experience.

people i know with those jobs tend to like them and they can lead to promotions to other offices in other countries
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CPJ



Joined: 30 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more like under 1%
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jack_b57



Joined: 02 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh wells. I was hoping to explore some different types of fields while I'm here, but it ain't looking too promising.

It'd be cool if there was a temp agency that put people in random non-teaching jobs out here. A man can dream, can't he?

Heck, just for the cultural immersion and language learning, I'd be happy cleaning toilets in a restaurant for a little while.
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youtuber



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember a while ago, I saw a white guy driving a garbage truck and picking up the garbage at my officetel.

I thought...WTF? Maybe he was Russian? I have never seen that ever again in Korea....I wonder what his story was. Why would you go to Korea to work as a garbageman?

Maybe it's an awesome job...what do I know? Maybe he is raking in the cash and women! The hidden job market!
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youtuber



Joined: 13 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, why not volunteer somewhere? That could be neat...everybody likes free labour.
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LL Moonmanhead



Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Location: yo momma

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't work in teaching.

There are non-teaching jobs out there, but in my experience you need strong Korean skills, a skill that Koreans need and a lot of contacts.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPJ wrote:
more like under 1%


The government likes to say that there are over 1,000,000 foreigners living in Korea.

According to your number, that means there are 990,000 foreign (native-speaker) teachers in Korea. I find that VERY hard to believe.

I vaguely remember seeing the number of E-2 visas as around 20k, double that for F-teachers, that then round up to 50k just to be generous. That means the actual number is around 5% of foreigners are teachers. That leaves a very large amount of foreigners who AREN'T teaching.
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cert43



Joined: 17 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russian? I doubt it

Most of them work in diplomacy.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
CPJ wrote:
more like under 1%


The government likes to say that there are over 1,000,000 foreigners living in Korea.

According to your number, that means there are 990,000 foreign (native-speaker) teachers in Korea. I find that VERY hard to believe.

I vaguely remember seeing the number of E-2 visas as around 20k, double that for F-teachers, that then round up to 50k just to be generous. That means the actual number is around 5% of foreigners are teachers. That leaves a very large amount of foreigners who AREN'T teaching.


Seeiously? What about factory workers? US military? Diplomats? Family members? Etc.

The biggest category of foreigners by a long shot are the Chinese including ethnic Koreans. Lets put it this way... Foreigners who have jobs in Korea requiring a university education are a very small minority and non-english-teaching and non-military are an exceedingly small percentage of the whole.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm exploring what sort of certification I might be able to get next year, but not seeing much opportunity popping for newbies in any field of work due to a lack of growth in all areas. Lots of stuff is popping for those well established and licensed in a specialized role. In any economy and country, you have to be specialized into a career track to be qualified to get a job. To be one of those engineers you meet in Korea, you'd have to be established in a career specializing in working with some specific technical process. Ideally, you'd be hired for entry level after applying and taking an aptitude test, get hired, and then develop during the first 3 years of employment, but with how the contracting job market is, entry level employment of this sort is a thing of the past. I met some engineers and business professionals and they weren't a day younger than 49 years old so that goes to show they started back in the mid to late 1980's or even 90's when it was possible to just get a job and then specialize after being hired in such an expansionary economy environment. They really don't plan on these careers, it's a good accident they have after college graduation where a company brings them on and develops them as needed by the company during times of growth so they become specialized, developed, and valuable in the job market.
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