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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| You could always pull a legit soju bender the night before and conveniently forget to shower before going to meet your boss. He might think better of his brilliant marketing ploy. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hotpants wrote:
It seems like you sadly have little choice but to cooperate or to face a fall out with your boss. But, definitely if you cooperate on this one, it will likely snowball into other PR 'events' later on. Maybe you need to start having an exit plan in case it all turns really nasty.
Why is that? Why do you think he has to do it? That's a rather "funny" way of thinking.
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I said this because when your name comes up on a Korean schedule after already having said 'no', (from past experience) a further 'no' is not an option without at least an ensuing fallout with whoever set the schedule.
Anyway, OP, let us know if you do manage a 'no' without consequence! |
Then the director's problem is solved.
Director: "Can you work on Sunday?"
Foreign Teacher: "Sorry I can't."
Director (calls downstairs and tells the head teacher to put the FT's name on the schedule)
He then repeats this scheme as necessary. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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the OP really only has 2 choices:
1) say no over and over again and don't show up even if the boss has put his name on the schedule. there will probably be some fall out over this.
2) go on sunday and be subject to further demands by his boss later, because he is now deemed a push-over.
sorry to say, it's a lose-lose situation. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad-ish wrote: |
the OP really only has 2 choices:
1) say no over and over again and don't show up even if the boss has put his name on the schedule. there will probably be some fall out over this.
2) go on sunday and be subject to further demands by his boss later, because he is now deemed a push-over.
sorry to say, it's a lose-lose situation. |
I understand "give them an inch, they take you a mile," but if he were to do this he could still refuse to do anything else extra. Not that he should do this. |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I like the smelly drunk option. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
| nomad-ish wrote: |
the OP really only has 2 choices:
1) say no over and over again and don't show up even if the boss has put his name on the schedule. there will probably be some fall out over this.
2) go on sunday and be subject to further demands by his boss later, because he is now deemed a push-over.
sorry to say, it's a lose-lose situation. |
I understand "give them an inch, they take you a mile," but if he were to do this he could still refuse to do anything else extra. Not that he should do this. |
i guess. but if he does decide to do this, he should still specify (in writing) exactly what he's agreeing to (how long on sunday, how many times a month, how many months. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="nomad-ish"]
| WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
| nomad-ish wrote: |
the OP really only has 2 choices:
1) say no over and over again and don't show up even if the boss has put his name on the schedule. there will probably be some fall out over this.
2) go on sunday and be subject to further demands by his boss later, because he is now deemed a push-over.
sorry to say, it's a lose-lose situation. |
I understand "give them an inch, they take you a mile," but if he were to do this he could still refuse to do anything else extra. Not that he should do this. |
i guess. but if he does decide to do this, he should still specify (in writing) exactly what he's agreeing to (how long on sunday, how many times a month, how many months and how much he will be paid to do it.[/
quote]
Fixed that for you. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="oldfatfarang"]
| nomad-ish wrote: |
| WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
| nomad-ish wrote: |
the OP really only has 2 choices:
1) say no over and over again and don't show up even if the boss has put his name on the schedule. there will probably be some fall out over this.
2) go on sunday and be subject to further demands by his boss later, because he is now deemed a push-over.
sorry to say, it's a lose-lose situation. |
I understand "give them an inch, they take you a mile," but if he were to do this he could still refuse to do anything else extra. Not that he should do this. |
i guess. but if he does decide to do this, he should still specify (in writing) exactly what he's agreeing to (how long on sunday, how many times a month, how many months and how much he will be paid to do it.[/
quote]
Fixed that for you. |
How many times a month? Every second Sunday.
How many months? The next four months.
How much will he be paid? No pay.
From the OP's first post. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="TheUrbanMyth"]
| oldfatfarang wrote: |
| nomad-ish wrote: |
| WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
| nomad-ish wrote: |
the OP really only has 2 choices:
1) say no over and over again and don't show up even if the boss has put his name on the schedule. there will probably be some fall out over this.
2) go on sunday and be subject to further demands by his boss later, because he is now deemed a push-over.
sorry to say, it's a lose-lose situation. |
I understand "give them an inch, they take you a mile," but if he were to do this he could still refuse to do anything else extra. Not that he should do this. |
i guess. but if he does decide to do this, he should still specify (in writing) exactly what he's agreeing to (how long on sunday, how many times a month, how many months and how much he will be paid to do it.[/
quote]
Fixed that for you. |
How many times a month? Every second Sunday.
How many months? The next four months.
How much will he be paid? No pay.
From the OP's first post. |
we just meant that he should get the specifics in writing and signed. you know how things can change from misunderstandings. |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Location: Ulsan
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not really sure why this is still up for debate.
-It's on a Sunday.
-It's unpaid.
Just say no (reiterating that even if it's on the schedule you will not be attending). |
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Kaypea
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jonpurdy wrote: |
I'm not really sure why this is still up for debate.
-It's on a Sunday.
-It's unpaid.
Just say no (reiterating that even if it's on the schedule you will not be attending). |
Absolutely!
1) "No, sorry, I have plans."
2) Don't go.
3) Don't answer your phone on Sunday. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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This is crazy. Take the schedule and go to him and calmly say, "I can not make it to this event. I told you repeatedly that I am unavailable on Saturdays and Sundays. I will not be there on Sunday, so you should make other arrangements."
I rarely think teachers should resort to the "It is not in my contract" agruement if you can avoid it, but this calls for it. If your contract says M-F then its settled. If it doesn't tell him you took this job under the assumption that it did not include weekend work. And remind him of how he told you the schedule before you started. And that you flat out refuse to do weekend work. Or tell him you'll do it for 3 months if he throws in 6 days of paid vacation. Tell him you want to be paid for it. Get something out of it
I'd be surprised how many kids are home on Sunday to begin with. I am 90% sure this house visit idea will happen twice and never happen again.
Do not do this to avoid an arguement. This one is worth fighting.
Also, start getting your documents in order and job searching. Be prepared to be fired just in case he is totally unreasonable. (which it sounds like he might actually be.) |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| This. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| I can't write on here what I would say to your boss if I were in your shoes. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Many hagwon bosses are as you describe, lacking in mental capacity and especially managerial skills, however He/she is still the boss.
Being able to avoid situations like this without offending your boss is a beneficial quality to have.
I wanted to add that I think it's highly likely that the boss/school in question would be getting paid for this little scheme,
while he expects the FT to just work for free.
It may be wise to be looking into other options, as any boss that would hatch such and idea is likely to have more such gems up his sleeve.
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