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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: hogwans - extra/free time... Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
I know its common practice for Hogwan owners to make teachers come in early to lesson prep.
In the past Ive been asked to come in around 30 mins early which is ample time becasue Im mostly using books and dont need much time to look over them. I have plenty of time to prepare for convo lessons the prior week.
my current hogwan boss is a tight a ss and asks me to come in 1 hour early everyday which is rediculous becasue Im sitting around for (at least) 30 mins everyday doing nothing. I dont get paid for this time.
Has anyone tried contesting this stupid rule?
Im near the end of my contract so Im ot too worried about rocking the boat becasue I dont care if I get a reference.
Thanks for any input


It wasn't common in my case. If you're teaching 6 hours/day for 5 days a week, it's pretty sadistic to expect you to churn out more time in the office to prep your lessons every single day of the workweek. For the money that you're getting paid. What do you get out of it, really? It's not your career by any means. You're only with the buggers for a year. You're a hired gun. You have English and they're paying you to teach what you know to the kiddies. In your case, looks like you have ample experience to without having to prep much at all. Especially with an outfit such as Jungchul that, as you state, have their own curriculum in some respect that you must adhere to and requires no prep, really.

So, yes. Of course it's asking too much to have you come in an hour before your class. You're not getting paid for that hour. You're getting paid for your six hours of day teaching. If they want more, they should pay. And more in this case would mean more teaching. Not more prep. Like you said, you don't need much prep time. What they probably want more than anything is your presence for whatever reason. Yeah...

I find that it's hard to get much prep work done in this type of environment anyway. Too many distractions.
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jendaejeon



Joined: 01 Oct 2009
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say much about other places, or the specifics of how much time you should spend lesson planning to be the best teacher ever but I used to work in the jungchul chain to and the reading section is pretty difficult to prepare for or make interesting in any way, and in my branch at least they were watching like hawks and banned any kind of activities/fun taking place in class. That said it was in my contract to spend an hour and a half lesson planning a day, prior to the start of classes, but most of that was spent in a ridiculous daily meeting conducted entirely in korean... Happy memories all round~~
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there ya go.

OP, if it's not in your contract to be there an hour before class, don't bother.
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I call bullshit on 15 years experience.

Because that begs the question: Why the hell are you working in a low-level rookie job making 2.1M/month when you could be in a real teaching program making much more than that?

You're either too lazy or selling yourself very short. Either way, that doesn't make you look good.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisXX wrote:
I call bullshit on 15 years experience.

Because that begs the question: Why the hell are you working in a low-level rookie job making 2.1M/month when you could be in a real teaching program making much more than that?

You're either too lazy or selling yourself very short. Either way, that doesn't make you look good.


How do you know how much he's making? Perhaps he's getting 2.8 with a nice apartment.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisXX wrote:
I call bullshit on 15 years experience.

Because that begs the question: Why the hell are you working in a low-level rookie job making 2.1M/month when you could be in a real teaching program making much more than that?

You're either too lazy or selling yourself very short. Either way, that doesn't make you look good.


I have 15 years teaching expereince in different contexts including,

teaching learning disabilities (6 years)

teaching key stage maths and english to kids who are socially excluded etc etc.

blah blah blah -

I dont know if youve noticed your heigh-ness, but the job market is pretty busy at the moment.
You run around asking for 3 million and advertising yourself with a phd in english trying to get a hogwan position and youre going to get overlooked by a newbie who has less brains than mouth and whos willing to accept less cash (sound familiar?).
in daegu, most positions are being advertised as between 1.9 - 1.2. Youre lucky of you can get much more than that in a hogwan at the moment - and the pay scale is dropping relatively. When I was here last time 8 years ago - i could get 2.5 easy without question.
But, times are hard and a lot of buisnesses are closing.
Being a practical person and needing a job quick - I took the first job that was offered to me - it took me 3 days to find a job and from the uk and another week to get out here.
i read posts of people who have been looking for months,p r cant get a job at all -
theres nothing wrong with playing yourself down and not shouting about how great you are from the rooftops - in this situation, its called trying to be practical.

Everything in life is a game - youve got to learn the rules and take it from there.

Its not calvinball
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh and you know what,

this may be hard to beileve - but this is not my career and I dont really care about it that much on the whole in terms of furthering my career.
Its a stop over job for a couple of years while I save some cash for another enterprise. And i do it becasue teaching is easy and I dont have to stress too much.
I like the kids mostly, I hardly ever have to discipline them, class sizes in hogwans are small enough to manage easily and give attention to those who need it most.
Hogwaning is an easy job. Ive had some very difficult jobs and this is not one of them. Sometimes I cant believe I get paid to do this its so stressfree and enjoyable.
Its nice to have some time out from the rat race and teach in korea.

and I know people here with a lot more experience than me (and older) who were 'teachers'/white collar etc. back home who feel the same.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
oh and you know what,

this may be hard to beileve - but this is not my career and I dont really care about it that much on the whole in terms of furthering my career.
Its a stop over job for a couple of years while I save some cash for another enterprise.


Dude, if you have been doing it for 15 years and it is not your career...just wow. How long do you think you are going to live? If you haven't been able to save up the cash for other enterprises in 15 years, I say just go ahead with those other enterprises, while you still have some small amount of youth and energy to get them done -- you are spinning your wheels in something you don't care about, and that is helping NO ONE....

Everyone deserves to be happy, and everyone should find something to do that makes them feel fulfilled -- this is, by your own words, not that thing for you...and you have been doing it a long time...so just move on to the next thing. Seriously.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
shifty wrote:
thegadfly and paddy should be put on a raft and given a firm heave out to sea.


Then again we would have to rely on you to build the raft. That means it would never get done (you would whine about having to do it) or that it would be badly built and would sink at first tide.

Then you would have to decide who does the shoving, never ending debate right there.


Some more very valuable perspective there......thanks!!!
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks gadfly, but like i said. I came over here straight from finishing college (my second bsc) which cleaned me out to do it. In the 4 years I was studying, I didnt have time to work and relied on government/bank loans to help. I came here back to hogwan land for a couple of years to clear my debts and save up to go to the next level - which requires more capital. I could teach part time at home - but it payed just enough to cover my bills becasue i usually only had around 6 hours free time a week becasue I was expected to be full time on placement (working an 8 hour shift everyday) and then completing the degree on top of that.

I hope that justifies my life decisions and proves Im not a waster...
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok paul...lets have it: do you have 15 years of experience as a Teacher or is that experience in another field?
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

15 years teaching something else somewhere else does not mean much in the EFL world.

I've met plenty of "real teachers" who had no clue about how to teach kids in Korea.

I'm not trying to slam anyone, just saying it's a different kettle of fish in Korea and you'll find that half (or even more than half) of the battle you face
will be trying to keep the management off your back and let you do your job.

If that means coming in an hour early, so be it. I didn't need the full hour to prep all the time either when I had a job like that. It was nice to sit and have a coffee sometimes after prep was done or to work on some other project during that time.

You worry about an hour a day...try working in PS and have to sit there for 8 hours (classes or not) and then look at how little your complaints seem from that perspective.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
try working in PS and have to sit there for 8 hours (classes or not) and then look at how little your complaints seem from that perspective.


Desk warming may be annoying, but compared to a desk job back home, it's cake.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Ok paul...lets have it: do you have 15 years of experience as a Teacher or is that experience in another field?


Oh man, give the guy a break! He's already given chapter and verse on his credentials. Against his better judgement he had to prostrate himself b/c you and your cronies forced him to. Now you want more.

How does all this interrogation square up with the issue of his post?? 15 years experience, 4, 8, nine, who cares? He's got ample for what he's doing.

OP, there is no point in dealing with these guys. What you say will never be enough. Imagine the horror of meeting them in person.
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
oh and you know what,

this may be hard to beileve - but this is not my career and I dont really care about it that much on the whole in terms of furthering my career.
Its a stop over job for a couple of years while I save some cash for another enterprise. And i do it becasue teaching is easy and I dont have to stress too much.
I like the kids mostly, I hardly ever have to discipline them, class sizes in hogwans are small enough to manage easily and give attention to those who need it most.
Hogwaning is an easy job. Ive had some very difficult jobs and this is not one of them. Sometimes I cant believe I get paid to do this its so stressfree and enjoyable.
Its nice to have some time out from the rat race and teach in korea.

and I know people here with a lot more experience than me (and older) who were 'teachers'/white collar etc. back home who feel the same.


You've been teaching for 15 years and it's not your career?

What are you waiting for?
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