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Fair Warning: You Will Be Fired On Month Eleven
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marina_ballerina



Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Nowon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:16 pm    Post subject: Fair Warning: You Will Be Fired On Month Eleven Reply with quote

I've been working at my hagwon since the beginning of Feb, and when I asked for the afternoon of X-mas eve off my boss said okay. BUT she also said she was thinking about firing me after December, with only a month left on my contract.

The reason is that I don't have the energy I used to, which really isn't true, if anything I have more energy than when I started.

What should I do?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Fair Warning: You Will Be Fired On Month Eleven Reply with quote

marina_ballerina wrote:
I've been working at my hagwon since the beginning of Feb, and when I asked for the afternoon of X-mas eve off my boss said okay. BUT she also said she was thinking about firing me after December, with only a month left on my contract.

The reason is that I don't have the energy I used to, which really isn't true, if anything I have more energy than when I started.

What should I do?


Go to the labor board. You are not being fired for lack of energy you are being fired because she doesn't want to pay severance or airfare. The labor board has dealt with many such cases before and usually can see right through the director's BS.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should rollover and cry. Razz

Seriously, what did you tell your boss when she told you this?
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marina_ballerina



Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Nowon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just like, 'kamsahamnida, I'm going to work so hard! You are so gracious!' etc.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marina_ballerina wrote:
I was just like, 'kamsahamnida, I'm going to work so hard! You are so gracious!' etc.


Then you should rollover and die. Razz
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tiddles



Joined: 25 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the labor board will totally back you on this, it'll just take a few months to get it sorted.

Laugh in her face and tell her to call your attorney about it.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea, Christmas is just another day. If your hagwon is open then you should be working Christmas Eve, take in consideration the other foreigner teachers and Koreans working on this day.

Of course, this shows you have no energy. Why should you be special?

They have to arrange their schedule just to fit your demands.

Have you taken other 'special days' or sick days off?

Your boss will take this all the way to the Labor Board.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthews_world wrote:
In Korea, Christmas is just another day. If your hagwon is open then you should be working Christmas Eve, take in consideration the other foreigner teachers and Koreans working on this day.

Of course, this shows you have no energy. Why should you be special?

They have to arrange their schedule just to fit your demands.

Have you taken other 'special days' or sick days off?

Your boss will take this all the way to the Labor Board.


No. Christmas is a legal holiday in Korea.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Requesting an extra day off, her or there, isn't to bad mate.
Deja, you're just being negative,
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't go to the labor board because the boss said he/she is "thinking about firing" someone.

Only if the boss actually does it, then you consider that option. South Korea does not arrest people for thought crime.

OP, the day before Christmas doen't have any meaning to Koreans. When in Rome, you are expected to work as the Romans work.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
matthews_world wrote:
In Korea, Christmas is just another day. If your hagwon is open then you should be working Christmas Eve, take in consideration the other foreigner teachers and Koreans working on this day.

Of course, this shows you have no energy. Why should you be special?

They have to arrange their schedule just to fit your demands.

Have you taken other 'special days' or sick days off?

Your boss will take this all the way to the Labor Board.


No. Christmas is a legal holiday in Korea.


My point is that the day before Christmas is a regular workday for most if not all hagwons in Korea.

The OP should save face, apologize, and go to work if she wants her 12th month bonus and airfare.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christmas Eve is nothing, just like everywhere else (I'm not aware of any place that grants December 24 as a legal holiday). You said that Christmas (i.e., December 25) is just another day in Korea. December 24 is just another day; however, December 25 is a legal holiday.

It's not out of the ordinary for someone to ask for one extra day off or to substitute that day off with a vacation date. It's certainly not out of the ordinary to ask for it one time in a year.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Christmas Eve is nothing, just like everywhere else (I'm not aware of any place that grants December 24 as a legal holiday). You said that Christmas (i.e., December 25) is just another day in Korea. December 24 is just another day; however, December 25 is a legal holiday.

It's not out of the ordinary for someone to ask for one extra day off or to substitute that day off with a vacation date. It's certainly not out of the ordinary to ask for it one time in a year.


This is true, but it isn't out of the ordinary for the boss to submit to the request. Asking for even 1 day off is like writing our own pink slip to many a hagwon boss. It can negatively affect the student's perception of the teacher, the co-teaching staff who are there all the time working more for less, and the boss when the parents want to begin pulling their kids out of the hagwon.

When given a hagwon contract, it is good advice to take only the vacation days that they give you in the specified period. Missing even a few days to sickness or even requested days off can make or break you when it comes to signing for another year with the school. It can also cause a teacher to lose their job in this case.

Depending on how many sick and personal days the OP used will determine the outcome of this case.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any problem with asking for a day off. You get a certain number of holidays in the contract. You ARE allowed to ask for them. The boss might say "no" but there's still no reason why you can make the request. It may even be to their benefit because in my experience, many students won't come to class on Christmas Eve anyway. They may be either celebrating it or getting an early start to the legal day off on 25 December.

Anyway, OP, wait until you get notification in writing that you're being fired. In the mean time, try to get your documents together in case you need them on short notice. AND, don't bring up the topic of being fired. If the boss forgets to give you written notice and then tries to spring it on you in the 10th month, you're case should be stronger at the Labor Board. If she fires you now and gives you the contractual 30 days notice (or more depending on your contract) then she'll have more leverage if you challenge it.
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