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Hagwon is better than EpiK.
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harshlands101



Joined: 19 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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till will never have the desire to work in public schools. I mean, I come into work at 4 pm and leave work at 9 pm. You guys can't say that. Oh, sure, maybe your school gives you a little more latitude and let's you go home between classes, but you generally still have to be there from 8:30 to 4:30. And when I mean my 4-9, I have a few breaks during that time. I don't work the entire 5 hours. I actually work around 3.5 hours total per day. My gig is freaking sweet, but I've been here awhile and paid my dues...now enjoying the nice, sweet schedule


i agree that you have a sweet schedule, but regardless 10 days vacation as opposed to 6-8 weeks in a twelve month period...i would go stir crazy irrespective of how sweet my job was though.

my winter vacation alone is going to be 4 weeks prob in the PI, diving and sunbathing instead of feezing my toes off. My summer vacation, if i re-sign, will be another 4 weeks (extra vacation time given for re-signing). so i get a chunk of holiday, don't have to worry about getting a new job that has a sweet schedule and get paid vacation time.

As much as your schedule is good, it just wouldn't interest me because of the vacation issue. this is why i would never work at a hagwon, unless of course they matched the vacation time, which i don't think they ever will.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think public schools are solid, but I've never worked in a Haggis so I'm no expert. Also, not all public schools are great and there are haggies and unis out there are no doubt better.

Certainly there are some downsides to public schools. Pay may not be as great as at a Hagwon. You have to follow the curriculum. You have to be much more careful with your public persona. You must get good scores on the national exams, even though you may not have complete control over the lessons. Kids these days are less-disciplined, at least until you instill it in the classroom. But all of this doesn't detract from, what I feel, is the overall quality of the public school job.

I enjoy the 30 student class size. I don't know why, but I feel that it just suits me as a teacher. Some teachers do great with 12 and only okay with 30. I'm the opposite.

I enjoy teaching the same lesson 4-5 times a day and having a set curriculum to follow. Frees me up to develop more activities and prepare materials for the lesson- the onus of total lesson conception is lifted- a seriously draining task.

I enjoy the work environment- the lunches, the teachers lounge, field trips, the sports, the playground, the sense of community, the aspect of school spirit, the school dinners, school plays, school concerts, etc. etc. There is always some event at a public school. It helps to give vibrancy to the year of work.

I mean working a job where at lunch time you get to play basketball/baseball with the kids and that that makes your boss happy is a pretty remarkable thing and worth a few hundred thousand a year in my book.

Not to mention the money saved with the cafeteria lunch. And its a nice balanced meal, if a bit repetetive, salty, and whatnot. But I've discovered the trick to enjoying it is not to eat breakfast and take a half portion of everything (except fresh, unpickled, vegetables and fruits). Hunger and meager portions make a meal taste good.

I enjoy the downtime atmosphere when I can either deskwarm or assist the afterschool teacher with her classes or practice sports with the kids or teach them chess and so on.

The bureacracy is so minor. About the same as any job, maybe less.

Vacation time- Before I came here I worked hourly to support myself which meant I didn't get paid vacations and I dragged myself to work unless I was violently ill. The vacation time here is plenty, same with the workload. Anyone who calls this too much work or is griping about deskwarming has no clue how much of a fantasyland near-vacation this job can be.

I guess one of the most rewarding things is getting to see your students grow up and mature, or well lets be real, turn into typical teenagers. Not only do you get to see their improvement but you get to see a sense of genuine interest and enjoyment towards English develop.
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Satchel Paige



Joined: 29 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Anyone who calls this too much work or is griping about deskwarming has no clue how much of a fantasyland near-vacation this job can be.


Perhaps, for some people, being forced to sit around for hours and hours on end with nothing to do (except for posting on internet forums) is not their idea of "fantasyland"??
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satchel Paige wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Anyone who calls this too much work or is griping about deskwarming has no clue how much of a fantasyland near-vacation this job can be.


Perhaps, for some people, being forced to sit around for hours and hours on end with nothing to do (except for posting on internet forums) is not their idea of "fantasyland"??


It is when you are getting paid to do it. Anyone who doesn't realize how cake that is is not in touch with the reality 95% of the world faces when it comes to earning a living.

Read a book. Draw a picture. Plan a lesson. Meditate. Knit. Study. Teach extra English.

Seriously? Nothing to do?
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Poker



Joined: 16 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:


I enjoy the 30 student class size. I don't know why, but I feel that it just suits me as a teacher. Some teachers do great with 12 and only okay with 30. I'm the opposite.

I enjoy teaching the same lesson 4-5 times a day and having a set curriculum to follow. Frees me up to develop more activities and prepare materials for the lesson- the onus of total lesson conception is lifted- a seriously draining task.

I enjoy the work environment- the lunches, the teachers lounge, field trips, the sports, the playground, the sense of community, the aspect of school spirit, the school dinners, school plays, school concerts, etc. etc. There is always some event at a public school. It helps to give vibrancy to the year of work.

I mean working a job where at lunch time you get to play basketball/baseball with the kids and that that makes your boss happy is a pretty remarkable thing and worth a few hundred thousand a year in my book.

Not to mention the money saved with the cafeteria lunch. And its a nice balanced meal, if a bit repetetive, salty, and whatnot. But I've discovered the trick to enjoying it is not to eat breakfast and take a half portion of everything (except fresh, unpickled, vegetables and fruits). Hunger and meager portions make a meal taste good.

I enjoy the downtime atmosphere when I can either deskwarm or assist the afterschool teacher with her classes or practice sports with the kids or teach them chess and so on.

The bureacracy is so minor. About the same as any job, maybe less.



+1
I feel the same way too Smile
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Satchel Paige wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Anyone who calls this too much work or is griping about deskwarming has no clue how much of a fantasyland near-vacation this job can be.


Perhaps, for some people, being forced to sit around for hours and hours on end with nothing to do (except for posting on internet forums) is not their idea of "fantasyland"??


It is when you are getting paid to do it. Anyone who doesn't realize how cake that is is not in touch with the reality 95% of the world faces when it comes to earning a living.

Read a book. Draw a picture. Plan a lesson. Meditate. Knit. Study. Teach extra English.

Seriously? Nothing to do?


+1
How many of you had jobs working in inventory where you always had to "look busy"? Or clean up before and after you are done?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Satchel Paige wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Anyone who calls this too much work or is griping about deskwarming has no clue how much of a fantasyland near-vacation this job can be.


Perhaps, for some people, being forced to sit around for hours and hours on end with nothing to do (except for posting on internet forums) is not their idea of "fantasyland"??


It is when you are getting paid to do it. Anyone who doesn't realize how cake that is is not in touch with the reality 95% of the world faces when it comes to earning a living.

Read a book. Draw a picture. Plan a lesson. Meditate. Knit. Study. Teach extra English.

Seriously? Nothing to do?



Agreed (see the bolded part). Some people must have never had a job before to judge from their responses.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never had a job where I had the free time to read, knit, or study before this one. My lesson plans for the rest of the year were completed months ago. Of course, I'm always on the lookout for new games, songs, and videos (and I post them here whenever I find anything I really like), but, to be completely honest, I have plenty of time for play.

Tip for noobs: Always keep a powerpoint open on your desktop Wink
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal wrote:


Tip for noobs: Always keep a powerpoint open on your desktop Wink


Why?
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
NYC_Gal wrote:


Tip for noobs: Always keep a powerpoint open on your desktop Wink


Why?


If you click on it, it covers up your game of Scrabble. Laughing
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal wrote:
Ramen wrote:
NYC_Gal wrote:


Tip for noobs: Always keep a powerpoint open on your desktop Wink


Why?


If you click on it, it covers up your game of Scrabble. Laughing


Why do you cover up your game of scabble?
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:

Why do you cover up your game of scabble?


Agreed- Scrabble is a good tool for learning English!
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southernman



Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing that can't be overstated you have far more unofficial rest days of at PS. This month alone I have not worked a full week

School Anniversary day, week one
School exams, week two
School Field Trip, week three
Bit of a cold today, my co-teacher said to me just hang out in your room for today and tomorrow.

I used to really hate desk warming but the others are right, damn I've never had a job like this before, you aren't even expected to look busy. Nobody cares, things could be much much worse
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:

Personally, I think EPIK is dying - too many GET's - too many rules - too much bureaucracy - and too little holidays. Many EPIK schools' default button is now to treat GET's like the admin staff ( I have to deskwarm with the photocopy/support ladies when the other teachers go home early.)



Also the administrators and Korean teachers can be the most fickel and flacky people you've ever met. You might spend two years at a PS, complete your contracts and get no reference from anybody afterwards. Stuff like that can damage your career. I already mentioned you can't give a bad reference in the USA evidently not so in Korea. Although with the economy possibly taking as long as 9 years to reach pre-2008, I think there is going to be plenty of people willing to put up with all that stuff and take the risk
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allovertheplace



Joined: 02 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS school is hands down better for a few years. If youre just in it for a year or two you will earn more at a hagwon though. Kinda factual but an option either way.
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