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Stephen Ireland
Joined: 22 Apr 2010
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Why do you cover up your game of scabble? |
Agreed- Scrabble is a good tool for learning English! |
Of course it is for the students, but my coteacher would know that I'm just playing games. |
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harshlands101
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jimmyjnc
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Wanted to bump this topic. Back at hagwon, working in a good environment, teaching the way I want (mostly), and making twice the money. Find a good hagwon and you can't go wrong. |
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Tyshine
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Wanted to bump this topic. Back at hagwon, working in a good environment, teaching the way I want (mostly), and making twice the money. Find a good hagwon and you can't go wrong. |
From what I've read hagwons have the biggest ceiling and biggest floor. As a newbie with no contacts in Korea I am very weary of taking a job at a hagwon. I would love to be one of those who finds an easy jobs with god pay, but I really don't want to take the risk of a hagwon not paying me. Also I've worked in a public school in the U.S., and I prefer the morning hours and overall atmosphere of public schools. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I work at a PS.
2 mil extra pay for extra classes.
If there is any event I or test I get to stay at home.
9 weeks holiday. + 6 weeks where I play football for 1 hour a day and go home.
I teach 27 classes x 3 every year after that I can do what I want.
There is no way that is happening at a hakwon. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I may not get as much vacation time at my hagwan, but I teach 4 or 5 classes per day, and can go home once done. No deskwarming. That deskwarming adds up.
At my PS, I never got to go home when there was a test day or school trip.
For a new teacher, PS is safer, but once you get your feet wet and have some experience, there's no reason you can't network and find a good hagwan, or even a uni job (if lucky.) |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
I may not get as much vacation time at my hagwan, but I teach 4 or 5 classes per day, and can go home once done. No deskwarming. That deskwarming adds up.
At my PS, I never got to go home when there was a test day or school trip.
For a new teacher, PS is safer, but once you get your feet wet and have some experience, there's no reason you can't network and find a good hagwan, or even a uni job (if lucky.) |
Except that with experience and qualifications you can make more at a public school.
The people saying that hakwons pay more are almost all newbies. The top salary at a public school varies by province but runs from 2.6-2.8 million. Hakwons generally pay between 2.1-2.4 (contract sticky thread) There are exceptions no doubt, but they are exceptions. Also at a public school you can actually get a decent OT wage for doing OT classes whereas the majority of hakwons will pay you 15-18 thousand (which tends to be the same or less than your average wage)
And if you are at the top of the payscale it doesn't take that many OT classes to meet or exceed the 3 million/month mark. (less than 30). Try finding a hakwon that will pay you 3 million for less than 30 classes a week.
Very few hakwons pay that much.
And I very much doubt that that such a hakwon would also give you 6 weeks paid vacation time 2 weeks in summer and 4 in winter (if you re-sign.) Okay maybe 1 or 2 in all of Korea or maybe if you are the boss. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'll take my 4 weeks of vacation at a hagwan (including renewal) over the 6 at PS, because I like my job now. I don't feel like I NEED the vacation time as much (no coteachers!) My boss allows me to choose my vacation time and schedules the school holiday around me. I have my January holiday approved and planned already.
As for pay, I never got overtime classes because of the school's budget. It takes several years to get up to top pay in PS. My friend has been teaching (with a teacher's certification from his home state) for 3.5 years, and still only makes 2.3. In Incheon, you start at 2.0 with certification or an English major, salary is raised to 2.1 the second year, and the third and 4th year you get 2.3. It goes up to 2.7 after many years in the same district.
Don't forget, there's all that deskwarming. I go in, have an hour of prep, and teach 5 classes then go home. I said it before: you have to network and do your research. |
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Tyshine
Joined: 04 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| For those who have down EPIK. I realize you wont know the school you are placed until orientation, but what about the area. When do you find out about which city/province you will go to? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
I'll take my 4 weeks of vacation at a hagwan (including renewal) over the 6 at PS, because I like my job now. I don't feel like I NEED the vacation time as much (no coteachers!) My boss allows me to choose my vacation time and schedules the school holiday around me. I have my January holiday approved and planned already.
As for pay, I never got overtime classes because of the school's budget. It takes several years to get up to top pay in PS. My friend has been teaching (with a teacher's certification from his home state) for 3.5 years, and still only makes 2.3. In Incheon, you start at 2.0 with certification or an English major, salary is raised to 2.1 the second year, and the third and 4th year you get 2.3. It goes up to 2.7 after many years in the same district.
Don't forget, there's all that deskwarming. I go in, have an hour of prep, and teach 5 classes then go home. I said it before: you have to network and do your research. |
It varies by district though. In Chungnam province in my FIRST year in the district I was getting 2.6 million. But I had TESOL, home country certification, and several years experience at hakwons and 3 years at an elementary school. Also even though I was only 5 minutes drive away from a large city my school was classed as rural.
As for the deskwarming it varies by school. Some (most) schools go by the book, while others (especially after the first year if you've managed to establish a good working relationship) it's more of a wink. wink nod kinda of thing if you know what I mean.
We all know in Korea there's often a wide gap between theory and practise...and that is all I am going to say about that. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| jimmyjnc wrote: |
| Wanted to bump this topic. Back at hagwon, working in a good environment, teaching the way I want (mostly), and making twice the money. Find a good hagwon and you can't go wrong. |
Really? I thought this thread was being bumped to point out the irony that the base salary of hagwons has moved down to 2.0-2.2 mil won. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
I'll take my 4 weeks of vacation at a hagwan (including renewal) over the 6 at PS, because I like my job now. I don't feel like I NEED the vacation time as much (no coteachers!) My boss allows me to choose my vacation time and schedules the school holiday around me. I have my January holiday approved and planned already.
As for pay, I never got overtime classes because of the school's budget. It takes several years to get up to top pay in PS. My friend has been teaching (with a teacher's certification from his home state) for 3.5 years, and still only makes 2.3. In Incheon, you start at 2.0 with certification or an English major, salary is raised to 2.1 the second year, and the third and 4th year you get 2.3. It goes up to 2.7 after many years in the same district.
Don't forget, there's all that deskwarming. I go in, have an hour of prep, and teach 5 classes then go home. I said it before: you have to network and do your research. |
It varies by district though. In Chungnam province in my FIRST year in the district I was getting 2.6 million. But I had TESOL, home country certification, and several years experience at hakwons and 3 years at an elementary school. Also even though I was only 5 minutes drive away from a large city my school was classed as rural.
As for the deskwarming it varies by school. Some (most) schools go by the book, while others (especially after the first year if you've managed to establish a good working relationship) it's more of a wink. wink nod kinda of thing if you know what I mean.
We all know in Korea there's often a wide gap between theory and practise...and that is all I am going to say about that. |
You're right. I just happen to have found a nice hagwan, and am happier than I was. Different strokes for different folks. I'd established a good relationship with the powers that be, but I had a **** of a principal. Everyone hated him. It didn't matter how many homemade baked goods or bags of oranges I brought in. Such is life. My current boss appreciates the snacks I bring in for her and the kids, and we are friends outside of work. In all fairness, she has fewer vacation days than I have. It's a laid back environment, and I get a lot more one on one time with the kids. I prefer it, as it's close to how I tutored back home. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Tyshine wrote: |
| For those who have down EPIK. I realize you wont know the school you are placed until orientation, but what about the area. When do you find out about which city/province you will go to? |
At about the same time.
That said if you are hired outside the normal hiring period you can know weeks ahead in time. My recruiter told me where I was being placed three weeks in advance. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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If you like educated career orientated Koreans than public school is the way to go. If you don't want to be around Korean adults don't work in a public school. Seriously, it's just as simple as that. A Korean public school is cultural immersion to the max.
Personally I love it and my wife and I have been here a longtime. My colleagues and students are awesome.
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