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longlivetheclash
Joined: 08 Aug 2009
Location: Bundang/Seoul
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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:17 am Post subject: Ridiculous thread. |
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| This thread is so ridiculous. To the op, it's called making a profit. If you can make a little extra, why not? Sales? Heard of it? |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| People can sell their crap for any amount they want, BUT don't bitch when one of us checks your price and calls you on it. It's a nice balance. Deal? |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| hanguker wrote: |
| People can sell their crap for any amount they want, BUT don't bitch when one of us checks your price and calls you on it. It's a nice balance. Deal? |
I love that some posters actually have the balls to complain about other people attempting to stop what is essentially fraud. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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How's it fraud? If someone's hard to find, the value goes up. I pay a LOT for good cheese here. Back home it'd be cheap.
I also pay a LOT for Khiel's face cream here. Back home it'd be 2/3 of the price. |
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grant_steves
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| hanguker wrote: |
| People can sell their crap for any amount they want, BUT don't bitch when one of us checks your price and calls you on it. It's a nice balance. Deal? |
I love that some posters actually have the balls to complain about other people attempting to stop what is essentially fraud. |
It's hardly fraud.
I think that a lot of people place far too much value on their used goods....but generally those goods don't sell and that's the end of it.
If someone is willing to pay the price that they are asking, then clearly that good is worth that value to the buyer and both parties are happy.
I do think it's funny when I have offered say 20% less than someone is asking for something and I get an extremely rude message back saying something along the lines of "no thanks, I don't feel like being screwed" or "go to hell".
I also think it's funny when people freak out when non-buyers make comments on their thread, as if this is a classified ad they paid for. If you don't want people making comments on your product, then don't sell it via a free online forum.
All in all I think that 90% of the buyers/sellers here are reasonable...a few people here are trying to make a profit, and a few people are only interested in buying things at rock-bottom prices....but the vast majority of the posters here are using this board for exactly what it is intended....people selling things that they aren't taking home with them and trying to recoup some of the money they spent buying this stuff, and buying/selling/trading books and video games so that we can all have books to read and games to play legally and for a fraction of retail. |
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macmatt
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: Inflated Prices |
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I couldn't agree more with the original post. Why even bother posting something for example you paid 100,000 won for something. You sell it on here here for 90,000 then after 3 days get no responses so drop the price a little to 80,000, and expect a big improvement! IF IT USED, EVEN 1 DAY DON'T EXPECT TO RECEIVE EVEN FAIR VALUE.
I think it is a buyers market not a sellers market here and even back home. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
How's it fraud? If someone's hard to find, the value goes up. I pay a LOT for good cheese here. Back home it'd be cheap.
I also pay a LOT for Khiel's face cream here. Back home it'd be 2/3 of the price. |
But you don't buy either of these used. New things that have been imported are expected to be expensive.
When ppl don't post an asking price then get upset when ppl shoot them a low offer it's funny. Or the ads that have an almost new price then the seller says, "If I get no offers then I'll just keep it." Then why are you selling it? Anytime I've sold something it's because I need to sell it. I research what my item is going for used and try to be on the same market or a bit lower because I want to sell it. I know it can be more difficult to do this in Korea.
How many ppl are here to buy something used refurbish it then sell it for a profit? I would say not many. If your selling your stuff find a fair market value and set a price then negotiate from there. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Inflated Prices |
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| macmatt wrote: |
IF IT USED, EVEN 1 DAY DON'T EXPECT TO RECEIVE EVEN FAIR VALUE.
I think it is a buyers market not a sellers market here and even back home. |
The market decides fair value my friend. Did you know a few years ago a used Prius sold for MORE than a new one?
Let me get your contact info. Tell me when you are gonna sell your house or your car so I can buy those from you for less than its worth.
The value of the item in question is irrelevant. Most people want to get as much as they can if they sell their house or car. How is that different than selling a TV or computer? |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| grant_steves wrote: |
| I also think it's funny when people freak out when non-buyers make comments on their thread, as if this is a classified ad they paid for. If you don't want people making comments on your product, then don't sell it via a free online forum. |
Er, no. Sometimes comments from non-buyers can be appropriate. For example, asking for clarifications of item specifics, correcting misinformation, or commenting on the price would all be acceptable. Flaming the seller for nothing more than posting a high asking price, starting arguments about the item in question (ex: "iPods are terrible!"), and posting ad nauseum about how much something is brand new in a different country are all clearly NOT appropriate.
I tried to sell some Nintendo DS games a while back and a handful of jackasses derailed the thread with a stupid argument about the availability of R4 chips, and they refused to stop even after being asked politely. Great, Yongsan has storage devices that allow you to play pirated games, congratulations. Now how is that at all relevant to the sell of legitimate games?
It may be a free forum, but that doesn't make it suddenly okay to drop all social niceties your parents should have taught you over the years. We supposed to all be university-educated professionals, after all. |
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grant_steves
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Flaming the seller for nothing more than posting a high asking price, starting arguments about the item in question (ex: "iPods are terrible!"), and posting ad nauseum about how much something is brand new in a different country are all clearly NOT appropriate. |
I will agree that it is not necessarily "nice", but if the price and product are solid, and have a market, then the random banter of other Dave's ESL idiots shouldn't make any difference.
Again...if you don't want someone to bust in on your thread, then use a different medium of selling your goods. |
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Stephen Ireland
Joined: 22 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Quite often prices on dave's are not competitive with other websites. This is quite strange when transactions here don't have any tax. IF you buy a product you shouldn't include the tax you paid for it - unless you plan on paynig tax on items sold here. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| grant_steves wrote: |
| I will agree that it is not necessarily "nice" [...] |
It's more than "not nice." It's rude, inappropriate, and entirely unacceptable. Dragging threads off-topic in that manner is the very definition of trolling.
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| Again...if you don't want someone to bust in on your thread, then use a different medium of selling your goods. |
And if you don't want to be raped, don't wear skirts and heels, right? |
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coryallan
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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not sure many will agree with that...should you not also include shipping and duty? If I buy something brand new and have it shipped here and the total cost was $130 (whatever Korean equivelant) should I subtract the tax and sell for $115?
unless you can find the item retail with no tax..then I think sellers should include it in their total value before subtracting any amounts for the item being used |
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Stephen Ireland
Joined: 22 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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If you buy something when tax is included you can claim tax back at the end of the year - hence tax deductable. Duties and tarrifs sometimes have further VAT addded - not sure if these are deductable.
In any case when you exclude the tax but quote the original price, you in fact are further screwing the buyer.
My two cents |
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grant_steves
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Stephen Ireland wrote: |
If you buy something when tax is included you can claim tax back at the end of the year - hence tax deductable. Duties and tarrifs sometimes have further VAT addded - not sure if these are deductable.
In any case when you exclude the tax but quote the original price, you in fact are further screwing the buyer.
My two cents |
Whatever the price is that someone is paying at any given level is a fair price...if it weren't fair then the buyer wouldn't buy....and it if it weren't fair then the seller wouldn't sell....each person is different with their price points....some people value used good more or less than others (both buyers and sellers)...some people are willing to pay a premium for things that aren't available here (i.e. more than they are generally "worth") and other people aren't.
There is more to pricing than meets the eye....for one buyer it might not be worth their time to search the internet for an hour to save $10....they go to a site that they know has the product and just buy it as long as the price is reasonable....for another buyer it might be worth their time to spend this time in lieu of paying the higher price. In essence the two products have the same price: one is X + $10 and the other is X + 1 hour of your time, the 1 hour of your time will certainly have different values for different people, which is why some folk shop around for each individual product they want to buy and others just go to Amazon.com, pay a reasonable price, and don't use up their free time...this is called 'price discrimination' and it's just a normal part of the buying/selling process.
Bottom line...if a buyer is willing to pay X price, then this price is fair in their eyes...and the higher the price is, the longer the seller will have to wait to find a buyer. |
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