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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
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| That is not the same kind of distance learning that I'm talking about. You left the comfort of your home, so I don't consider that on the same level as many of the advertised online unis. |
If that's the case, distance learning and online learning don't have to be mutually exclusive. Perhaps you should be a bit more careful next time before posting? |
Fair enough. The OP was being a jerk, so I got snarky. I do believe that one gets more out of an in-class degree, but if you've got a good distance program, more power to you.
Here's hoping the OP can make it his or her entire life without a BA! |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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I had to turn in my state ID before I sat for each exam. I got it back after handing in my paper. |
That would still only be one form of ID compared to two and a matriculation card with my distance learning program. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Dave's ESL Cafe posters, though generally claiming to be liberal and open-minded, are actually very closed-minded and unwilling to accept new ideas.
They put down anything they have not done themselves. They condemn nontraditional education. They condemn enterprising youth who teach English to put themselves through college. They condemn actually learning the language and culture of Korea to better facilitate living there.
For people who talk so much about "tolerance" and "equality," Dave's posters are some of the most incredible bigots I've ever seen. Only they aren't being bigoted against blacks, Hispanics, or women -- they're bigoted against anyone with a shred of individuality or the ability to think outside the box.
OP, don't worry, just ignore them. Most of them will continue to be losers.
For those of us who are enterprising and think outside the box, this is an exciting world. Don't let any crotchety you-can't-do-that-it's-impossible poster on Dave's tell you otherwise. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Many of the other Dave's ESL Cafe posters wanted me to move back to Virginia and flip burgers at McDonald's or Burger King or clean toilets. They didn't want me to compete with them for jobs. I said "no, I refuse." I used my AA+CELTA to compete with them, and yes, there were times when I probably did beat someone with a BA out of a job. Too bad. I was the better job candidate.
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Good for you. Unfortunately I have to disabuse you of one thing.
It is very very unlikely that you were competing against anyone with a B.A as they could get a P.S job under the regular system as opposed to TALK.
The TALK program is NOT the same as the regular one. The HOURS, PAY and QUALIFICATIONS are all different.
So pat yourself on the back all you want...but you weren't competing with the majority of us who have B.A's for a job. |
True, the HOURS, the PAY, and the QUALIFICATIONS are different!
The hours are shorter!
The pay per hour is higher!
The qualifications are lower!
Pisses some people off, doesn't it?
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Pay per hour is a strawman though in some cases like the above.
Let's say you're given a choice You can work 1 hour for 10 dollars
Or 10 hours for 5 dollars an hour. In the first instance you are getting double the hourly wage of the second. But at the end of the day he is getting QUINTUPLE the daily wage you are.
I think most people would pick the second option. |
And this is also a straw man.
TaLK monthly pay is 65% of what an average hagwon teacher gets. It is not a factor of five like in your straw man example.
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Except it is not a strawman as I wasn't comparing TALK teachers to hakwon teachers in that example. I was merely using an extreme example to point out that the "pay-per-hour" thing is both fallacious and irrelevant.
But my points are still true. You're not competing with us and you are getting paid 55-65% of what we do.
So I really doubt your job conditions piss anyone off. What DOES is the attitude...as other people have already said on here.
People were suggesting that you get your B.A in order to get paid more. Apart from a couple of trolls no one suggested that you flip burgers or clean toilets.
Bottom line. It's good that you are/were happy with your job. But it's certainly not better than many on here. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| rooster_2006 wrote: |
Dave's ESL Cafe posters, though generally claiming to be liberal and open-minded, are actually very closed-minded and unwilling to accept new ideas.
They put down anything they have not done themselves.
They condemn nontraditional education.
They condemn enterprising youth who teach English to put themselves through college.
They condemn actually learning the language and culture of Korea to better facilitate living there.
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I'm a Dave's poster and I can tell you that in my situation these statements are either untrue or wild generalizations. Let's look what my answers would be for them:
Utterly false
Not in all cases.
As long as these "enterprising youth" are legal I don't care.
Except that I've actually recommended that people learn some of the language and the culture in order to do just that. And not once but many times. |
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tottenhamtaipeinick
Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway back to the OPs in your face rant...... Is there any other options to work under the general rule of 120hrs of teaching as he says the 60hrs of teaching a month is bliss. I really want as little as possible but I have to live in Seoul with gf and I heard Talk puts you out in the sticks? |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| OP, I've said it many times to many people- FINISH your degree. Don't flame people who gave you that advice. They were looking out for your best interests. What you're making without a degree is chump change compared to what you can make with a degree. If you think that's bad advice, then maybe you need to re-examine your long-term priorities and goals. If you like teaching and you want to make this a career, what are your options without a degree? Think about it and get back to us. |
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Xylox
Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| rooster_2006 wrote: |
Dave's ESL Cafe posters, though generally claiming to be liberal and open-minded, are actually very closed-minded and unwilling to accept new ideas.
They put down anything they have not done themselves. They condemn nontraditional education. They condemn enterprising youth who teach English to put themselves through college. They condemn actually learning the language and culture of Korea to better facilitate living there.
For people who talk so much about "tolerance" and "equality," Dave's posters are some of the most incredible bigots I've ever seen. Only they aren't being bigoted against blacks, Hispanics, or women -- they're bigoted against anyone with a shred of individuality or the ability to think outside the box.
OP, don't worry, just ignore them. Most of them will continue to be losers.
For those of us who are enterprising and think outside the box, this is an exciting world. Don't let any crotchety you-can't-do-that-it's-impossible poster on Dave's tell you otherwise. |
Your opinion is different from mine, therefore you are close minded/a bigot/not very intelligent/the jubilee of the super hero universe/etc.
Its obvious that you have much more experience then me, but clearly I am the one that is correct. I will be hostile to everything you say simply because you won't stroke my ddong(chim) while making soothing ocean noises.
See, I like to do things differently, and that makes me correct 100% of the time. The end. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
| OP, I've said it many times to many people- FINISH your degree. Don't flame people who gave you that advice. They were looking out for your best interests. What you're making without a degree is chump change compared to what you can make with a degree. If you think that's bad advice, then maybe you need to re-examine your long-term priorities and goals. If you like teaching and you want to make this a career, what are your options without a degree? Think about it and get back to us. |
You know, it's not a binary choice.
It's not just a choice between "be a TaLK loser forever" and "go back to your home country, get a degree, and get a real job."
The OP stated in a later post that he was doing distance ed for a bachelor's degree. Maybe he will finish his bachelor's degree while teaching. Is there anything wrong with that? He'll graduate with legitimate teaching experience at a public school and be ahead of the pack. What's so wrong with that?
You guys are basically missing the whole point of the TaLK internship program -- it is an INTERNSHIP. *NEWS FLASH*, internships don't pay as much as regular jobs!
How many part-time jobs for college students give the student rent-free accommodation and a salary of $1,300 for only half-time work? Geez, everyone seems to be selectively blind to the fact that TaLK is an INTERNSHIP for STUDENTS! Of course it doesn't pay 2.3 million won per month!
Duh!
Anyways, the OP can defend himself from now on. This thread has run its course as far as I'm concerned, and I might as well stay out -- as I just completed my bachelor's degree last week, the condescension, arrogance, and bigotry exhibited by Dave's posters towards those with less than a BA/BS no longer directly affects me. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| The TALK kids should start their own forum just to show us ESL Cafe jerks what jerks we are. Yeah, that'll do it. |
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