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Bryan Fox
Joined: 28 Jan 2009
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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: Yes, but where? |
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| I say go for it, report the school when you're leaving, you're the only person in the system that has the freedom to change it like that (without losing their job). Nothing worse than losing face. |
But that's the point of this post - WHERE do I go? I'm not worried about rocking the boat, because I'm 2 months away from never sailing this sea again... |
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grant_steves
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Yes, but where? |
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| Bryan Fox wrote: |
| eliross wrote: |
| I say go for it, report the school when you're leaving, you're the only person in the system that has the freedom to change it like that (without losing their job). Nothing worse than losing face. |
But that's the point of this post - WHERE do I go? I'm not worried about rocking the boat, because I'm 2 months away from never sailing this sea again... |
Call Lee Myoung Bak on his mobile. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Where did he go to school, lol. |
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anynag
Joined: 01 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Integrity in University Grading? |
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| Bryan Fox wrote: |
| This may be a silly question to ask in a country where the idea of 'plagiarism' isn't really even a concept, but is there any national board to which universities are accountable? I'm at a university and I'm leaving the country when this contract finishes, so I'm not concerned about repercussions. But basically, I've been told I "can't" fail seniors. If I do, and my grades are changed by the administration, can I report this? Where? How? Is there any recourse? |
If you're leaving in two months, how would you know whether or not your school's admin has changed your F's to a passing grade? And, more importantly, why should you care? Do you really think you're going to teach anyone in this country a lesson based on your western principles?
I'm sure you could futilely file a complaint with the Ministry of Education if it'll make you feel like you've accomplished something, like failing working seniors. However, bear in mind you'll have to fill out all of the necessary forms in Hangeul. |
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yesman
Joined: 15 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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at the end of the day does it really matter if the senior got a passing grade? no. just pass the kid with the lowest acceptable passing grade, and forget about them.
bunch of my seniors have jobs and barely come to class. if they were freshmen, i'd fail them, but i'm gonna let them go, let them graduate, and get on with their lives. after all, they're already a few years behind due to military, and probably don't need to stick around the UNI, esp. since they started in like 2004.
also, you're in Korea, and teaching at a Korean uni. and not in the west. Play by their rules, not yours. |
Amen. Let go of your own cultural blueprint and go with the flow.
You. Will. Not. Win. Fighting. Against. It. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've been told the same thing about failing seniors. Last term I had to have an "intervention" with a student who was a senior that was going to fail. He still didn't follow my directions and I failed him. If the university changes his grade, so be it. The way I see it is at least I've had my say.
This term I'm going at it differently. At the beginning, I screened students on the first day and talk to the seniors in person asking them if they worked. A few came to me and told me they wanted to do a "project" because they worked. I told them to drop the class. Yeah it's terrible, but I don't want the headache. I got stuck with one who I gave a project and told him if he does it and then presents it at the end of the term, I'll pass him. My coworker wrote up this nice well presented packet to do this (otherwise I probably wouldn't have done it). We'll see how this turns out at the end of the term. It might not be too bad.
If the students were upfront at the beginning of the term about their situation, then it would solve a lot of the problems. The problem is the university and the department ASSUMES we know what's going on and yet don't bother to tell us. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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Since you're not worried about repercussions, you could write a letter (get it translated into Korea) and mail it to everyone who should know about it: the president of the university, minister of education, etc. Or find out if there's a formal complaint process regarding academic misconduct.
I applaud your integrity. |
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mikebranson810
Joined: 31 Oct 2010
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I've been teaching in a Korean university for seven years now. I actually am a real professor. I teach Engineering courses, have a Ph.D. and publish. I'll tell you what I have told all the other similar "English professors" (I'm sure you have published in Internationally Peer-Reviewed Journals and have a Ph.D.  ) like you who have grumbled at the many differences between Korean and western institutions of higher education, this is Korea not England or America etc. It's so obvious you are a first year teacher in a university. Next time you apply for a job teaching in a different country, it would be wise to do some research on the broader forces that affect your position. For example, the labour market, economy etc. Oh, your "reporting" would be a waste of time. But please keep us posted on it  |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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offtheoche
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| mikebranson810 wrote: |
| I've been teaching in a Korean university for seven years now. I actually am a real professor. I teach Engineering courses, have a Ph.D. and publish. I'll tell you what I have told all the other similar "English professors" (I'm sure you have published in Internationally Peer-Reviewed Journals and have a Ph.D. ) like you who have grumbled at the many differences between Korean and western institutions of higher education, this is Korea not England or America etc. It's so obvious you are a first year teacher in a university. Next time you apply for a job teaching in a different country, it would be wise to do some research on the broader forces that affect your position. For example, the labour market, economy etc. Oh, your "reporting" would be a waste of time. But please keep us posted on it |
Nice FIRST post...TROLL. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| mikebranson810 wrote: |
| I've been teaching in a Korean university for seven years now. I actually am a real professor. I teach Engineering courses, have a Ph.D. and publish. I'll tell you what I have told all the other similar "English professors" (I'm sure you have published in Internationally Peer-Reviewed Journals and have a Ph.D. ) like you who have grumbled at the many differences between Korean and western institutions of higher education, this is Korea not England or America etc. It's so obvious you are a first year teacher in a university. Next time you apply for a job teaching in a different country, it would be wise to do some research on the broader forces that affect your position. For example, the labour market, economy etc. Oh, your "reporting" would be a waste of time. But please keep us posted on it |
You know, there is really no need for your snide tone, because the title of "professor" is something that is handed to us here, by the university. Some of us have no control over it whatsoever. And who knows, but maybe it's justified for the field of ESL to be qualified as a professor with a master's degree and experience, in the same way that I called some of my best teachers of architecture "professor" in grad school, because that was the terminal degree for an architect. That will possibly change once there are more ESL instructors with PhDs, but the jury is still out as to whether a PhD is really necessary as an ESL teacher, apart from scoring jobs in a tight market.
But, since my "professors" of architecture were at a top-5 ranked university, they and other PhDs could possibly sneer at a Westerner who was employed as a real professor at a Korean university. I know that when I started my PhD program in my field (but had to drop out after the economic crash), it certainly wasn't with the intention to come to Korea to teach as a real professor. That would seem like somewhat of a failure to most PhDs back home.
However, I don't view it that way because I understand that there are good opportunities here, and different ways to push ahead, regardless of your status or what condescending people like you think. |
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asutrack
Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Busan
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| Wow! mikebranson is so cool. He has a Phd. and has published articles! Amazing. I guess he is the only one that here that is a "real" professor. Hmm....nope. I am too am a real professor and I have my JD and have published also. Besides, when does a Phd. really mean you are a good educator? oh yeah, it doesn't. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Such derision is warranted to anyone without a Phd. who boasts about being a 'professor'. Since no one in this thread (other than our professor of engineering) has even brought up the issue, there is no call for it. All but a few of those with uni jobs that I've ever met recognize they are simply language instructors. Now can we get back to discussing integrity? |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Integrity?
Mike Branson has none |
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