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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| You need to turn off the partisan Dem media dude. |
And go to church so I can find out whom I am supposed to vote for?
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Sure.
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=7963
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I have previously posted on the corrupting influence of the State on the church, and we now have an incredibly overt case-study example in the Obama administration�s recent use of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives to enlist pastors as propagandists for Obamacare.
In a conference call to religious leaders, Obama exhorted them to:
Get out there and spread the word. �The debate in Washington is over, the Affordable Care Act is now law � I think all of you can be really important validators and trusted resources for friends and neighbors, to help explain what�s now available to them.
During the same call,
Joshua DuBois, director of the White House Office of Faith-based and Community Partnerships, gave activists a rallying cry: �Get the word out there, get information out there. Make use of the resources we�ve described on this call: the website, door hangers, one pagers and so forth. We�ve got work to do.�
The call was organized through the Dept. of Health and Human Services Center for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, which additionally helpfully offers Grants-Writing Training and Technical Assistance Trainings for �Grassroots� Faith and Community Based Groups.
With the Dept. of Health and Human Services having its very own office for faith-based partnerships, imagine the uses to which other government agencies could use such outreach opportunities:
* The IRS could use an Office of Faith-Based partnerships to spread the word to church-goers that taxes are charity�as secular liberals apparently already believe, with their low levels of charitable giving corresponding to their church attendance.
* The Defense Dept. could use its own Office of Faith-Based partnerships to provide pastors with door hangers explaining that war is peace, and helpfully detailing who Jesus would approve bombing.
Indeed, the possibilities are virtually endless.
Separation of Church and State anyone? |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| They did avert a total economic meltdown of the U.S. and much of the world. |
For now - only to make it even totaler in the not-too-distant future.
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| If you are a Democrat, vote for him or her! |
I can't believe people are still down with this partisan BS. In many ways, Dems are even worse than Reps becausberal'e with their phony 'liberal' veneer, they can get away with crap Reps never could (e.g. Clinton ending welfare).
As mentioned before, a Republocrat will not save us.
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| The American economy is going to collapse, regardless. |
This sentence is a non-sequitur from your prior one above as even you realize the difference is negligible. So why push Dems? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| If you are a Democrat, vote for him or her! |
I can't believe people are still down with this partisan BS. In many ways, Dems are even worse than Reps becausberal'e with their phony 'liberal' veneer, they can get away with crap Reps never could (e.g. Clinton ending welfare). |
Would someone mind explaining why, when I, in a magnanimous gesture of bipartisan civility, encourage Democrats to vote for Republicans, even pistol packing, machine gun toting, handcuff fetish Tea Party Republicans, Space Bar mercilessly and incoherently belittles my hand of friendship across the aisle by decrying it as "partisan BS"?
My intent was the very antithesis of "partisan BS." Such a lack of civility and partisanship as Space Bar has displayed is precisely why we, as a nation, face such insurmountable obstacles to achieving understanding and cooperation.
We must learn to listen to what the other has to say, and hear more than just "Blah, blah, blah, Democrat blah, blah blah. Blah Republican, blah blah, blah blah blah," which is apparently all that Space Bar heard.
Please, Mr. Space Bar, do not quote me out of context. You, sir, have done me a grave injustice. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Vote for the person whose platform and views you support. Its that simple.
I'm a registered Republican, but I'll vote for a Blue Dog Democrat over a Moderate Republican any day. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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I can't believe people are still down with this partisan BS. In many ways, Dems are even worse than Reps becausberal'e with their phony 'liberal' veneer, they can get away with crap Reps never could (e.g. Clinton ending welfare). |
Would someone mind explaining why, when I, in a magnanimous gesture of bipartisan civility, encourage Democrats to vote for Republicans, even pistol packing, machine gun toting, handcuff fetish Tea Party Republicans, Space Bar mercilessly and incoherently belittles my hand of friendship across the aisle by decrying it as "partisan BS"?
My intent was the very antithesis of "partisan BS." Such a lack of civility and partisanship as Space Bar has displayed is precisely why we, as a nation, face such insurmountable obstacles to achieving understanding and cooperation.
We must learn to listen to what the other has to say, and hear more than just "Blah, blah, blah, Democrat blah, blah blah. Blah Republican, blah blah, blah blah blah," which is apparently all that Space Bar heard.
Please, Mr. Space Bar, do not quote me out of context. You, sir, have done me a grave injustice. |
Everything you write is partisan BS. Whether it's your "intention" or not is beside the point. The point is also that the BOTH parties are two heads of the exact same control system; why you are so incapable of understanding this basic concept, I have no idea. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Everything you write is partisan BS. Whether it's your "intention" or not is beside the point. The point is also that the BOTH parties are two heads of the exact same control system; why you are so incapable of understanding this basic concept, I have no idea. |
Thank you for your insightful and articulate comment re. "partisan BS."
Is every comment critical of the Republican/Tea Party by definition of you and certain other posters "partisan BS"?
Has it ever occurred to you that there might be Republicans and conservatives who are critical of the current batch of Republican/Tea Party candidates?
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| The point is also that the BOTH parties are two heads of the exact same control system |
Oh, really?
And how, exactly, do you know this? Because you heard it somewhere?
How many campaigns, Democratic or Republican, have you worked as a volunteer on? How many campaigns have you donated money to? How many elected officials have you met or written letters to? How many city council or school board meetings have you attended? How many governors, senators, congressmen, state representatives, mayors, city councilpersons, school board members have you known?
Is the answer zero? Then it is your whining that is BS.
I have said it before in this thread and I will say it again. I was a registered Republican for more than a decade. I donated to Republican candidates and worked on their campaigns as a volunteer and sometimes as paid staff. (Think I can write well enough to help get a candidate elected? Well, I have.) I also worked on the staff of some elected Republican officials.
Have you?
I know what the Republican Party looks like from the inside. And I got out. When I did, I swore I would never, ever vote for another Republican for the rest of my life. I have not, and I have not regretted it.
While there are some good Republican candidates, the Republican Party is evil, by any definition of the word. The Democratic Party, though not without its flaws, is not. I have known governors, senators, congressmen, mayors, etc., both Democratic and Republican. I have also supported and worked for some Democrats, sometimes even when I was a registered Republican. Is this your definition of "partisan"?
Apparently, either you are too young or too stupid to have learned the lesson of eight years of the George Bush administration, which devastated the healthy American economy he inherited from eight years of Bill Clinton.
And apparently there are plenty more like you in America, judging from this election's outcome.
My point, which is not partisan, is that the American economy is teetering on the edge of collapse and possibly another Great Depression, or worse. However, it could, ironically, recover somewhat, thanks to the steps taken during the last two years. But it won't recover fully; it never does under Republican leadership.
So I say let the Republicans run the country. Let them take the helm of the Titanic. If Sarah Palin runs for president, I hope she gets elected. The American people, especially people like you, do not deserve honest, intelligent elected officials because you haven't voted for them or worked for their election, even when there have been honest, intelligent candidates on the ballot. Instead, look at the crooks, liars, scoundrels and hypocrites Americans voted for, including those who did not get elected. These Tea Bag fascist scum shouldn't have gotten more than 1 percent of the vote.
And I say fascist deliberately. Does it sound discordant hearing the words "fascism" and "America" together? The truth is there has long been an undercurrent of fascist sentiment in American politics, at least for the last 150 years, originally in the form of the Ku Klux Klan, but then, in the early 20th century the KKK and the GOP merged in some areas of the country. This is not "partisan BS," this is historical fact. Judging from the past election, the KKK is alive and well and living inside the belly of the GOP. The GOP is a racist, fascist party.
America is moving in the direction of fascism. Look at how the Bush administration manipulated the public with its color coded terror threats, sometimes fabricated. According to those familiar with the Nixon Administration's Huston Plan, it included an option for canceling the 1972 presidential election, as strange as that sounds today. It's not hard to imagine the next Republican administration coming up with a pretext to cancel elections (and look at how sympathetic the U.S. Supreme Court was in Gore v. Bush).
When there are serious economic problems, that's what stupid emotional people do, they elect fascists, stop thinking, and let them run the show and run their lives. Just look at history. These people want to tell YOU what to believe, what to think, what to say, and what to do because they believe only THEY are right. Not unlike yourself.
America is headed into dark economic times if it continues in this direction, and with it, darkness. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Ron Paul type Tea Partiers (10-20%) are what this country needs. Sarah Palin Tea Partiers (The Rest) will be the death of us all. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Everything you write is partisan BS. Whether it's your "intention" or not is beside the point. The point is also that the BOTH parties are two heads of the exact same control system; why you are so incapable of understanding this basic concept, I have no idea. |
Thank you for your insightful and articulate comment re. "partisan BS."
Is every comment critical of the Republican/Tea Party by definition of you and certain other posters "partisan BS"? |
No.
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| Has it ever occurred to you that there might be Republicans and conservatives who are critical of the current batch of Republican/Tea Party candidates? |
Yes.
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Oh, really?
And how, exactly, do you know this? Because you heard it somewhere?
How many campaigns, Democratic or Republican, have you worked as a volunteer on? How many campaigns have you donated money to? How many elected officials have you met or written letters to? How many city council or school board meetings have you attended? How many governors, senators, congressmen, state representatives, mayors, city councilpersons, school board members have you known?
Is the answer zero? Then it is your whining that is BS. |
None of the above is relevant. If you think being a low level volunteer on a campaign trail makes you an expert on who controls the country, you're out of your mind. Maybe you heard a speech by G.W. Bush once? Shook hands with him? Perhaps he even smiled at you? I guess that makes him a "great" guy - hell, it's almost as if you "know" him (so why bother doing actual research about the real policies he affected or the people he is associated with).
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I have said it before in this thread and I will say it again. I was a registered Republican for more than a decade. I donated to Republican candidates and worked on their campaigns as a volunteer and sometimes as paid staff. (Think I can write well enough to help get a candidate elected? Well, I have.) I also worked on the staff of some elected Republican officials.
Have you?
I know what the Republican Party looks like from the inside. And I got out. When I did, I swore I would never, ever vote for another Republican for the rest of my life. I have not, and I have not regretted it. |
So you were a low-level volunteer who some stapled papers together? Donated some chump change? As if that gives you any inside info whatsoever.
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| While there are some good Republican candidates, the Republican Party is evil, by any definition of the word. The Democratic Party, though not without its flaws, is not. I have known governors, senators, congressmen, mayors, etc., both Democratic and Republican. I have also supported and worked for some Democrats, sometimes even when I was a registered Republican. Is this your definition of "partisan"? |
How is the Democratic party not "evil"? You could barely fit a sliver between the agenda of both parties. Only the rhetoric is different. You'd have to be a total chump to listen to a politician and just "take his word for it". Actions are all that matter, words mean nothing. Most people spend exactly zero time doing actual research into political/policy issues. They just hear background noise (sound bites) in the news about Obama and free health care, and internalize it unquestioningly. If you have any discernment you will be equally skeptical about either party. It sounds like you are anything but.
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| Apparently, either you are too young or too stupid to have learned the lesson of eight years of the George Bush administration, which devastated the healthy American economy he inherited from eight years of Bill Clinton. |
The American economy was in a bubble during the Clinton years. The same Federal Reserve chairman (Alan Greenspan) was in that position during both the Clinton and Bush admins. The real power lies behind the curtain: the private Federal Reserve and the people who run Wall Street do not answer to the president. They are the real government. Clinton, Bush, Obama et al are just there to smile and read from teleprompters and give you the illusion of choice. You have no real choice.
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| And apparently there are plenty more like you in America, judging from this election's outcome. |
I didn't vote.
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| My point, which is not partisan, is that the American economy is teetering on the edge of collapse and possibly another Great Depression, or worse. However, it could, ironically, recover somewhat, thanks to the steps taken during the last two years. But it won't recover fully; it never does under Republican leadership. |
Wow, you are seriously delusional if you believe we haven't already entered a great depression under Obama, who deeply exacerbated the depression begun at the end of Bush's term. Obama has put the US on the hook for more money than all other presidents before him combined. Every member of his administration is pure Wall Street (esp. Goldman Sachs). He even kept on Bernanke, who began under Bush. So seriously, how is Obama any different (except for being worse)?
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| So I say let the Republicans run the country. Let them take the helm of the Titanic. If Sarah Palin runs for president, I hope she gets elected. The American people, especially people like you, do not deserve honest, intelligent elected officials because you haven't voted for them or worked for their election, even when there have been honest, intelligent candidates on the ballot. Instead, look at the crooks, liars, scoundrels and hypocrites Americans voted for, including those who did not get elected. These Tea Bag fascist scum shouldn't have gotten more than 1 percent of the vote. |
Wow. You consider Ron Paul to be a fascist? Are you that ignorant?
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| And I say fascist deliberately. Does it sound discordant hearing the words "fascism" and "America" together? The truth is there has long been an undercurrent of fascist sentiment in American politics, at least for the last 150 years, originally in the form of the Ku Klux Klan, but then, in the early 20th century the KKK and the GOP merged in some areas of the country. This is not "partisan BS," this is historical fact. Judging from the past election, the KKK is alive and well and living inside the belly of the GOP. The GOP is a racist, fascist party. |
I'm not a supporter of the GOP, I criticize them equally with the Dems. The only exception being Ron Paul (who is not really a Republican - he just uses it as a platform, despite disagreeing with the mainliners on nearly every issue).
Again, I have never defended the GOP on here. Have you even read a single thing I've written? Or are you just ranting to yourself?
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| America is moving in the direction of fascism. Look at how the Bush administration manipulated the public with its color coded terror threats, sometimes fabricated. According to those familiar with the Nixon Administration's Huston Plan, it included an option for canceling the 1972 presidential election, as strange as that sounds today. It's not hard to imagine the next Republican administration coming up with a pretext to cancel elections (and look at how sympathetic the U.S. Supreme Court was in Gore v. Bush). |
Fascism and socialism are two sides of the same coin (in fact, fascism is a form of socialism, as was Hitler's National Socialism). The Dems are equally as bad and share nearly all the same policies. Obama has continued and expanded the PATRIOT Act, the wars, the looting of the economy, and the dismantling of the constitution.
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| When there are serious economic problems, that's what stupid emotional people do, they elect fascists, stop thinking, and let them run the show and run their lives. Just look at history. These people want to tell YOU what to believe, what to think, what to say, and what to do because they believe only THEY are right. Not unlike yourself. |
Libertarianism is the antithesis to fascism. GOP/Democrat party socialism = corporatism and looting of the economy by the banking establishment (which funds and controls both parties to fool the idiot public).
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| America is headed into dark economic times if it continues in this direction, and with it, darkness. |
The only solution is to throw the bums out of office (all of them, from both parties) and elect libertarian candidates who will work to reinstate the constitution and roll back the Leviathan state. However, with people like yourself putting your faith in Obama, it may be too late. We may just end up living in a fascist-socialist hell on earth. Time will tell. |
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Space Bar
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| If you are a Democrat, vote for him or her! |
I can't believe people are still down with this partisan BS. In many ways, Dems are even worse than Reps because with their phony 'liberal' veneer, they can get away with crap Reps never could (e.g. Clinton ending welfare). |
Would someone mind explaining why, when I, in a magnanimous gesture of bipartisan civility, encourage Democrats to vote for Republicans, even pistol packing, machine gun toting, handcuff fetish Tea Party Republicans, Space Bar mercilessly and incoherently belittles my hand of friendship across the aisle by decrying it as "partisan BS"?
My intent was the very antithesis of "partisan BS." Such a lack of civility and partisanship as Space Bar has displayed is precisely why we, as a nation, face such insurmountable obstacles to achieving understanding and cooperation.
We must learn to listen to what the other has to say, and hear more than just "Blah, blah, blah, Democrat blah, blah blah. Blah Republican, blah blah, blah blah blah," which is apparently all that Space Bar heard.
Please, Mr. Space Bar, do not quote me out of context. You, sir, have done me a grave injustice. |
Just where did you encourage Dems to vote for Reps?
Anyway, this is why:
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If Americans put the GOP back in power, they deserve everything they get, including the annihilation of the economy and the destruction of the American dream...
The GOP has no intention of working with Obama or the Democrats, and has no plan for solving any of the problems that face the U.S., aside from enriching the rich, making fools of the middle class, and screwing the poor...
I don't know how much clearer to make this: The Republicans do not care about you. The GOP is a party of traitors to their country...
This is how Republicans settle their differences with people they don't agree with in America in the year 2010...
If you are a Democrat, vote for him or her! |
No, no partisan BS there.  |
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Gatsby
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visitorq, it appears that you took the time to read my post. I'm afraid I am not going to reciprocate. It's over.
What we have just witnessed is a nation committing suicide. There was a window of limited time and few options to solve America's economic problems; that window, I'm afraid, has now closed.
America was a beautiful country. When I was a child, My elementary school's music teacher would often play Woody Guthrie's "This Land is Your Land" on the piano, with us to sing along. It inspired me when I was a bit older to go out and see this land of mine. Over the years, I've been to every state but Hawaii, thanks in part to Dr. Maynard.
I've seen the sun rise over the Shenandoah Valley, the golden light streaming over the verdant farms, glistening on the morning dew. I've been on a farm in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, as a boy and picked eggs from the chicken's nest for the morning breakfast, thrilled to see an egg with three yolks! I've seen massive sea turtles lay their eggs on an Atlantic beach in Florida under the moonlight, and been in the eye of a hurricane, looking up into a hole in the starry, still sky. I saw the World Trade Center when it was still a hole in the ground, and rode the elevator to the 106th floor before the carpenters had put up any walls, seeing a 360 degree panorama of Manhattan from the gently swaying tower. I climbed to the top of the Statue of Liberty as a child, and returned as an adult to wonder at the ideals it represented for the world, no longer. I've slept within a centuries old hollowed out sequoia tree in northern California, safe from the rain, with scurrying mice and tiny birds for company. I've witnessed the pulsating curtains of light from the Aurora Borealis in Alaska, and the seemingly endless solstice sunset over Denali National Park. I've marveled at the Milky Way in the inky black sky above Tennessee. And perhaps most beautiful of all, I've seen the fall colors in Vermont, and enjoyed the kindness of that state's fine people. In short, I remember America before it was paved with concrete and shopping malls, its citizens turned senile with greed and envy and hatred.
Are you in your 20s? Or at least under 50 years old? Then it's all yours. You can have it, to do with it what you wish. I am through fighting for the soul of America. It is lost, and has gone to the Devil. Your future, if you are an American and young, is at stake. I am old. All I have to look forward now is death and peace, and perhaps a decent cup of coffee in the morning.
You, on the other hand, have perhaps a long life to look forward to living in an economic and moral wasteland.
Enjoy it while you can. Save it if you can.
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Kuros
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I'm afraid what we have just witnessed is a nation committing suicide. There was a window of limited time and few options to solve America's economic problems; that window has now closed. |
Because the Republicans took the House?
Its divided government. Things are going to be okay.
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[D]ivided government tends to restrain the growth of the state, and that when the two parties share power, they curb some of each other�s abuses.
I should also note that nearly all of the major government-restraining legislation of the the last thirty years (e.g. � the 1981 and 1986 tax reforms, the 1996 welfare reform, the deregulations and spending restrictions of the late 1990s) were passed under divided government, whereas nearly all the major expansions of government during that period (e.g. � Bush�s massive prescription drug bill, Obama�s stimulus and health care bills) were enacted under united control (the TARP bailout in late 2008 is the one big exception). This is probably not an accident and is consistent with historical experience. I�m not exactly optimistic about what either Obama or the new Republican House majority will do. But I do think that prospects for limiting government are far better today than they were just a few months ago. And the return of divided government is a crucial reason why. At the very least, we are unlikely to see any massive new government programs enacted, as happened under both united Republican control in the Bush era and united Democratic control under Obama. |
Prospects for limiting government are better, when this nation has suffered from three years of $1.4 trillion budget deficit. Sounds positive to me. |
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catman
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| Ron Paul libertarians would massively cut the defence budget while the Sarah Palin crowd would seek to expand it. |
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