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languistic

Joined: 25 Nov 2009

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:04 am Post subject:

Last edited by languistic on Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:40 pm; edited 1 time in total

Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:32 am Post subject:

naturegirl321 wrote:

OP, how did your uni transfer you to an E1? Ours says that it's impossible.

It's not impossible if you have an MA.

jeonjugirl wrote:

Oh, and E-1 is not the standard visa for visiting professors. Most of those I've known are on E-2s.

E-1 IS the standard visa for visiting professors. That's what it's for. The E-1 is a professor's visa. E-2 is a generic language instructor's visa. If you are on an E-2, you are not a professor.

toonchoon

Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

E-2 is a generic language instructor's visa. If you are on an E-2, you are not a professor.

thanks for the clarification, ace.

but, my contract states I'm a Prof, the English Dept. boss calls me "Professor" and the nameplate in front of my office spells out "Professor", in Korean.

Funny thing is, I consider myself to be a just a "teacher." What others call me is irrelevant, and whether my visa is an E-1 or an E-2 is even less relevant to me.

What matters is that the uni staff treat me/us as equals and the students respect us.

Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject:

toonchoon wrote:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

E-2 is a generic language instructor's visa. If you are on an E-2, you are not a professor.

thanks for the clarification, ace.

but, my contract states I'm a Prof, the English Dept. boss calls me "Professor" and the nameplate in front of my office spells out "Professor", in Korean.

Bully for you.

My contract, boss, colleagues, and students call me professor, too, but I'm not arrogant enough to believe the hype. E2 is not a professor regardless of what the contract or people say.

toonchoon

Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

toonchoon wrote:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

E-2 is a generic language instructor's visa. If you are on an E-2, you are not a professor.

thanks for the clarification, ace.

but, my contract states I'm a Prof, the English Dept. boss calls me "Professor" and the nameplate in front of my office spells out "Professor", in Korean.

you define your job and what you do here in Korea by the status of your visa?

So, those married to Koreans, NOT on a E series visa, and teaching at a university are DEFINITELY not professors, right?

languistic

Joined: 25 Nov 2009

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject:

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toonchoon

Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject:

languistic wrote:

There are different levels of professors and unless you were a professor abroad, you aren't an unqualified professor here. "Assistant professor", "Associate professor", "Adjunct professor"...many different titles. I would argue that without a PhD, no, you aren't an unqualified professor. Perhaps some incarnation of a professor, but without that PhD, you haven't earned your place as "Professor".

Guys, titles are just titles...call yourselves what you like (many titles in Korea can be earned just by being employed for a certain amount of time, regardless of caliber of teaching!), but you aren't fooling anyone but yourselves if you don't have the PhD and weren't a professor abroad. The title "Professor" in Korea is not the same as it is in the West, the end.

i'm confused. so w/o a PhD, you ARE or AREN'T a qualified/ or unqualified professor?

you're also contradicting yourself saying that the title "Professor" in Korea is not the same as it in in the west, but then go on to say "but without that PhD, you haven't earned your place as "Professor"."

wait, didn't you just say that the meaning of professor may be a bit different in Korea?

what about somebody that didn't get their PhD abroad, and has no teaching experience with that PhD abroad, but does have teaching experience after obtaining the PhD in Korea? are they not a professor because they haven't been a professor in their home country?

completely flawed logic and makes no sense. in case you didn't know, a Korean teaching at the uni with an MA is still called a "professor" in Korea.

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Carla

Joined: 21 Nov 2008

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject:

toonchoon wrote:

in case you didn't know, a Korean teaching at the uni with an MA is still called a "professor" in Korea.

In the west too. It is up to the individual university to decide their requirements. Some schools require PhD's, some require only a MA. Some require a MA but require a PhD for tenure positions.

zappadelta

Joined: 31 Aug 2004

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:33 am Post subject:

languistic wrote:

toonchoon wrote:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

toonchoon wrote:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

E-2 is a generic language instructor's visa. If you are on an E-2, you are not a professor.

thanks for the clarification, ace.

but, my contract states I'm a Prof, the English Dept. boss calls me "Professor" and the nameplate in front of my office spells out "Professor", in Korean.

you define your job and what you do here in Korea by the status of your visa?

So, those married to Koreans, NOT on a E series visa, and teaching at a university are DEFINITELY not professors, right?

So, someone like Scott Thornbury is not a 'professor'?

TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:12 am Post subject:

1. Professor - An academic rank (i.e., Assistant Professor, Associate Professor, etc.) 2. Professor - A teacher at the university level. *This is my understanding of the word Professor and so I gather that all these people here teaching EFL in Korean universities with only a B.A. degree or distance Master's in TESOL are referring to themselves as a Professor in that they are teachers in a university, not as their academic rank.

jeonjugirl

Joined: 05 Dec 2005

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:18 am Post subject:

Epik_Teacher wrote:

No offense, but why would you stay that long in a job if you thought it was non-tenured? Why didn't you try to find a tenured one?

Non-tenured does not necessarily mean it's not permanent. I have colleagues who have been at the university for over 10 years. I have a friend across town whose university tried to not renew her, but couldn't because of the elusive "5-year rule". They went to the labour board and were told she had been renewed enough times that now they had to have just cause to not renew her.

My understanding was that the reason why many universities have a 2 or 3-year max is for the specific reason of avoiding this 5-year rule.

As for me personally, I've stayed here because I don't like change, I like my job, my students, and my friends. I almost moved a few years ago, but then my mother got cancer. Her fight (which she unfortunately lost last year) was enough change in my life during those years.

I'm going to try to get some answers this week, as this issue will affect about 25 foreign language instructors on our campus. (Only 8 this time, as we are the ones left from the first group almost 6 years ago, but whatever happens with us will be a precedent for the others.)

jeonjugirl

Joined: 05 Dec 2005

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:23 am Post subject:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

jeonjugirl wrote:

Oh, and E-1 is not the standard visa for visiting professors. Most of those I've known are on E-2s.

E-1 IS the standard visa for visiting professors. That's what it's for. The E-1 is a professor's visa. E-2 is a generic language instructor's visa. If you are on an E-2, you are not a professor.

Actually, an E-1 is usually reserved for faculty positions. (Immigration doesn't give them out easily.) There's a big difference between 'visiting professor' and 'professor'.

kitekid

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: usually at http://www.expatkorea.com/

Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:03 am Post subject:

jeonjugirl wrote:

Epik_Teacher wrote:

No offense, but why would you stay that long in a job if you thought it was non-tenured? Why didn't you try to find a tenured one?

any more news?

jeonjugirl

Joined: 05 Dec 2005

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:12 am Post subject:

kitekid wrote:

any more news?

My department still hasn't officially informed me in English, but we are definitely in danger of losing our jobs. Not fun after so many years at the same school. Crying or Very sad

The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:32 am Post subject:

jeonjugirl wrote:

kitekid wrote:

any more news?

My department still hasn't officially informed me in English, but we are definitely in danger of losing our jobs. Not fun after so many years at the same school. Crying or Very sad

...any update on this?
Most universities are renewing their spring contracts about now.
Hope all is going well.

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