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sharkey
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| I'm concerned about the 1 engine. Canada is big and has pretty terrible weather, especially in the winter time. I hope the engine can deal with that. I think the Eurofighter would have been a cheaper and better choice. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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| probably spending on it to bomb Iran for Israel. |
Canada stayed out of Iraq. If Palin and company get elected in 2012 I feel confident that we will stay out of any war with Iran. |
I know for a fact they went to Afghanistan. It's not much of a stretch if they go to Iran. |
Iran hopefully won't become a land war and attempted occupation. Even if it does, Canada won't participate. If Harper tried to send Canadian forces his government is over as the unite the left movement would have the big issue with which to unite around. Ah. I hope. |
I'd join that too, and I'm not even particularly left. 100% opposed to any military action against Iran. |
What about the F-35 contract? F-35s are good for defense, too. |
Defense from whom? |
Aggressors. I mean, why else does a Canadian Air Force pilot get up in the morning?
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Good question. Maybe Canada should follow New Zealand's lead and not have any combat airplanes.
Honestly, what agressors does Canada have to worry about? Terrorists? Ok. What will bombers be able to do against them? |
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caniff
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Canada's getting a hell of a deal. They (all Canadians collectively) should consider themselves to be very fortunate.
I bet if every Canadian was offered a ride in one of those bad boys they'd pipe down real quick and start wearing F-35 t-shirts in anticipation. |
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mises
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http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/10/26/the-auditor-generals-report/
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The Auditor General�s report and Canada�s curious F-35 deal
by John Geddes on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:44pm - 27 Comments
Auditor General Sheila Fraser�s coruscating report on the slippery way the Department of National Defence handled its recent multi-billion-dollar helicopter purchases is setting off alarm bells about how DND might be managing its even more costly jet fighter buy.
Fraser�s findings from her audit of the $11-billion helicopter deals couldn�t be more disturbing. She said DND officials held back crucial information about the likely escalation in the cost of 28 Cyclone and 15 Chinook choppers, which led to Treasury Board approving the purchases based on off-the-shelf cost estimates that were ridiculously optimistic.
And Fraser drew a rough parallel between the helicopter fiasco and the planned procurement, announced last June, of 65 F-35 fighter jets for an estimated $9 billion, plus another perhaps $7 billion in maintenance costs. �I hope no one is assessing [the F-35 procurement] as low risk,� she said today.
That warning sounded only prudent, and led to opposition salvos in Question Period. Still, I doubt the real risks involved in the F-35 arrangement are widely understood. In fact, there�s not much similarity between the way DND went about buying those helicopters and its rather unusual arrangement for acquiring the jets.
One of Fraser�s main points about the helicopters is that DND presented the Chinook purchase without explaining to the government�s Treasury Board bean counters that upgrading Boeing�s basic model to meet Canada�s particular needs would inflate the cost. That�s what happened, in a big way�boosting the price of each aircraft by about 70 per cent.
That raises an obvious question about the F-35s: Could costs involved in bringing the jets to market and adapting them for Canada�s military purposes drastically raise their price too? In other words, should the Canadian taxpayer brace again for sticker shock?
I pursued this question a few weeks ago with DND officials for a Maclean�s story. The explanation I got then from Michael Slack, DND�s project manager for the so-called Joint Strike Fighter, was greeted with no small degree of skepticism by some politicians, critics of the F-35 purchase, and journalists. Today�s blast from Fraser isn�t likely to do anything to reduce that widespread wariness about DND�s claims.
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The military needs a functioning bunch of panes and helicopters but the procurement process needs reform. The officials in DND who held back information and the relevant ministers should be fired. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:00 am Post subject: |
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seems like the US is selling their toys to Canada and UAE (anyone else?).
It sounds like the MIC is desperate for money. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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seems like the US is selling their toys to Canada and UAE (anyone else?).
It sounds like the MIC is desperate for money. |
Don't forget last month's $60 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia.
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| It is the largest sale of arms that the United States has ever negotiated, and it is aimed squarely at Iran: More than $60 billion worth of American F-15 fighter jets, Apache helicopters, and missile defense systems will soon be on their way to bolster the arsenal of Saudi Arabia, the oil-rich country which serves as a major bulwark against Iranian influence in the Middle East. |
Giving $60 billion in arms to a country that is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism. Granted, I'm currently reading Sam Harris' book End of Faith so I'm currently more biased than I usually am, but I'm a little disturbed by this deal. |
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recessiontime
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End of faith is a great book. I like Harris' style of writing.
The media screams terrorism everyday but then the US gubbermint sells 60 billion worth of arms to the country where Osama bin Laden is from and wages war against countries like Iraq and Iran instead. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Again people one of the things the military does is develop technology that has applications in civilian markets. Not saying that this is the case here, but I'd be willing to be that there is some technology in there that Canadian firms would be interested in. Thus that $9 billion spent may be recouped in some fashion. |
Excellent point.. the Eisenhower highway system was setup because he saw how the Germans moved their forces via Autobahn.
My guess is when the military wants to move away from hydro carbons there will be serious thoughts about going green. But, probably not until then. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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The price tag on these jets is less than what we gave to bail out failing auto makers and keep jobs in Canada. What we should have done is insisted that any stuff we buy have a certain % of parts made in Canada.
I see no problem in spending that money on modernizing our airforce. |
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