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[Kuros]

[shifter2009]

[Fox]

[gypsymaria]

[BaldTeacher]

I know you didn't draw it, but you thought that it was funny enough to post on here. It wasn't. It was horribly executed. It was very, very bad comedy. It made me angry, not because of the politics, but because it was just poorly made.

Now that you tell me that a 'man' drew it though, I am angry because of the content. What kind of man would talk about patriarchy and write like that? I'd love to give this mangina an atomic wedgie and hang him from a hook by it and put lipstick on him.

Nobody's invalidating your experience. You obviously love the experience of laughing at less than mediocre comedy.

Just like this German guy enjoys the experience of sitting on old mens shoulders and bouncing around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7oV5pAm-s&feature=player_embedded

[mises]

Feminism!

http://community.feministing.com/2010/07/18/i-wouldnt-*beep*-a-trans-person/

[Sergio Stefanuto]

[Kepler]

Women are also underrepresented among top scientists. When Larry Summers was president of Harvard he brought up the possibility that this might be partially due to an inherent difference between the sexes. Feminists, needless to say, were outraged.

"The next reason was that more boys than girls tend to score very high or very low on high-school math tests, producing a similar average but a higher proportion of scores in the top percentiles, which lead to high-powered academic careers in science and engineering....

"The inferable difference in genomes between two people of visibly different races is one-hundredth of 1 percent. The gap between the sexes vastly exceeds that. A year and a half ago, after completing a study of the Y chromosome, MIT biologist David Page calculated that male and female human genomes differed by 1 percent to 2 percent�'the same as the difference between a man and a male chimpanzee or between a woman and a female chimpanzee,' according to a paraphrase in the New York Times. 'We all recite the mantra that we are 99 percent identical and take political comfort in it,' Page said. 'But the reality is that the genetic difference between males and females absolutely dwarfs all other differences in the human genome.'...

"It's a claim that the distribution of male scores is more spread out than the distribution of female scores�a greater percentage at both the bottom and the top. Nobody bats an eye at the overrepresentation of men in prison. But suggest that the excess might go both ways, and you're a pig."
http://www.slate.com/id/2112570/

[Fox]

[recessiontime]

in Australia the pharmacy owners are mostly males. The female pharmacists have just as much opportunity to be owners as male pharmacists. I find the evolutionary argument convincing. Women are simply evolved to be less competitive then men and take less risks. This explains why most CEO's are men. That does not mean this is the way it should be, it just serves to explain the trend.

[goat]

[Tundra_Creature]

I have a feeling this arguement can go until the cows come home... and no one will be fully right or wrong.

[Unposter]

Actually, I think there is right or wrong in this argument but whether anyone would actually admit they are right or wrong is doubtful, as is often the case in highly prejudential questions.

I mean imagine how you would feel if someone told you were genetically inferior and therefore incapable of doing certain professions as has been eluded to in this thread recently. If that were you, you would be screaming bloody murder.

For example, if we turn the tables around and say men are genetically inferior at being able to raise children (something patently false but widely believed) and therefore in all divorce cases, women should be awarded custody of the children, certain people on this thread would be up in arms and screaming about how biased "feminists" are.

But, if you were to say that the reason women are less represented at the head of companies is because of a 1 to 2 percent difference in genetic material that would be perfectly good science.

I would not argue that a 1 to 2 percent difference in genetic material isn't huge. It would create a huge difference! Roughly, chimpanzees are 98.6% genetically similar to human beings. But, to cite it as an example of why women are less capable than men is pure horse hockey. No direct correlation has been drawn.

Of course, people on this board will be screaming no, that is not what we meant, but that is exactly what you juxtaposed to give a sense of the dramatic differences and inequalities between men and women.

Comparing outcomes (more male CEOs than female) is falty because you have not addressed reasons for these outcomes including lack of opportunity and prejudicial negative perceptions of women and other groups (thanks Fox for lumping Afro-Americans and Jews as groups that are dangerously imbalancing power in America).

Personally, and it is only personal opinion, I would like to see more opportunities, more mentoring, more programs to encourage and develop female and other groups leadership in businesses and in political parties.

Of course, these are choices that businesses and political parties may choose or not choose. I may see advantages in them but others might not. Fine.

But, then when women and other groups form their own organizations for their own benefit, I hope those people don't cry foul either. It is a double standard that many women and other groups suffer from.

On the one hand, they should not complain when they cannot "compete" with white males. On the other hand, if they create female specific opportunites this is patently unfair. Such groups, I will guess white males, want their cake and eat it too while women and other minorities suffer under a double standard.

Maybe the anti-feminists do make one reasonable point. Regardless of our differences, we all benefit when we try to do things to help each other. The problem is it is only lip service. When it goes against them, they complain and moan. When, it benefits them, they are happy.

If as a society we promote everyone may work for their own selfish interest than please do not complain when women and other groups do so. If we are to promote a more inclusive society, then by all means lets do so. But, one does not have to look much farther than power in America to see that there are fundamental imbalances. We are not trying to work for our mutual benefit and women and other groups are on the weak side of current power relations. Yet, anti-feminists want women and other groups to give up what power they even have and oh my gosh spend their energy helping men when women and other groups, though they have come a long way in American society, still face some obstacles. You may be masquarading as people who advocate equality but in reality you are greedy, greedy people who only want the rules of society to benefit them.

I guess I have to say I don't want to live in a world where it is every person for themselves. And, in some ways we don't. But, the reality is there are definitely privleged groups in the U.S. and other countries and their arguments that women and other groups must work toward equality when they themselves don't is patently unfair and a big part of the problem.

[BaldTeacher]

Nobody's masquerading as anything and nobody's saying that women are genetically inferior. They're just different. Let's stop playing dumb here.

Nobody can accuse me of being a woman hater either because I love women and am frequently in the company of women.

Feminism is a farce and an unhealthy forced social experiment, tied in with many others that are making a mockery out of our society.

Me, I just ignore feminism and that works out fine for me. Ironically, feminism tends to punish the worker bees who go along with it the most hahahha! But if feminism disappeared overnight, society would still be in a complete mess. This is a collapse we're looking at here. However, the fact that there are men in jail because they were unable to pay alimony to women who already took half their stuff in no-fault divorces that they initiated, the fact that my good friend got his life ruined by a false rape charge, plus many other things, mean that it's still important to fight it. Also, cockoldry is rampant against men in Western society. You've got suckers out there raising kids that aren't even theirs. 15% was a conservative estimate that I read, but it's probably much higher. These neocons whining about the sanctity of marriage need to realize that marriage has no sanctity.

Why isn't paternity testing mandatory? And why aren't women who falsely cry rape severely prosecuted for a crime that has effects as bad as rape itself and in many cases does lead to rape in prison?

Acting like the rescue ranger here isn't doing you any good. I don't expect you to get anything out of any of the arguments that any of us put forward, but that's not my problem, it's yours. I don't blame you though. The indoctrination they use has been designed by the best of the best.


PS on a side-note. Everybody- Who do you think women would like and respect more in person:


This guy?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2009/4/23/1240525215543/Jessica-Valenti-with-Andr-001.jpg

Or him?

http://www.topnews.in/files/Silvio-Berlusconi2.jpg

Now guess which guy supports feminism. Guess which guy is happier.

[Fox]