Korean Job Discussion Forums

[the_beaver]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Universities can be ok for a while but almost without exception they eventually become hogwonize or become a terrible place to work at


the students are usually unmotivated at Universities, and often the professors are corrupt or dishonest.

Sorry.


Remember if you are not getting housing deduct 300- 500 a month.
After all hogwons provide housing.

For each month less than four of vacation deduct 100 a month from your salary . Furthermore since often you don't have the overtime during the vacations don't inflate your salary by pretending that what you make during the semester is what you earn during the vacation.of course the months off are nice but there is no need to inflate ones salary and provide free advertising for Korean Universites

If you are not getting severence deduct that too.

and since hogwons pay airfare you should deduct that too.

I am not touting hogwons either most of them are even worse.

I would say always use the most realistic numbers when telling others what you make.

Shining a light on what Korean Universites do is the best way of trying to keep them honest . I admit it is not a good way but for now it is the only thing that teachers have.



for more about this subject see this


http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=14714&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15


Lots of people exagerate and you can see it on this thread when they are pressed on the details.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

At one prestigious University in North East Seoul. They got rid of many teachers because they wanted to change the contract - lower. But then the school could not find any MAs so they had to hire BAs instead . But then they wanted to have the prestige of having MAs so what did they do - On their program bulletin they listed all the teachers with BAs as having MA's. - the magic of the printer.

at the same time

They decided to have an exchange professor program whereby the school would bring in teachers from their sister school in Canada for the purpose of promoting the school . they went there looking for two teachers with MA in TESOL - couldn't find 'em , so they went looking for two teachers BA in TESOL couldn't find them, went looking for MAs couldn't find them, Desperate for teachers they begged a professor to find them a teacher - any teacher so he found two students music majors to teach in Korea - who had never taught before.

The head professor was aware of this but continued to talk up the program as gave an interview in the schools' English language newspaper and continued to refer to them as the exchange professors and exchange scholars from the sister school.



Later the two teachers that they were going to bring in decided not to come at the last moment so the school went out and hired two teachers one of whom was just in Korea teaching privates on a tourist visa.


So much for the exchange professor program. Oh the two new teachers had MA's -but only in the school bulletin.



Teaching at a Univeristy . Many of your freshman are unmotivated and don't want to study. But what is worse is at many universities not only do they not only not let you use the text book you want , they make you use their text book made by them written in Konglish. Of course what counts most is - the student ratings (don't worry I always get good ones). Bad ratings (What you get for giving homework and for deducting points when students are late.) mean one thing - no new contract.

You all who think you are doing so good at the University - Ever heard of hogwonization? You know when they decide to slash two months of vacation and cut the pay by 25%. Hogwonization it could happen to you and probably will.


Remember if you are not getting housing deduct 300- 500,000 from your monthly pay. If you are not getting airfare deduct 100,000 from your monthy pay. For each month less of four that you have to work without being paid additionally during the vacation also deduct 100,000.


Remember hogwonization. -

[the_beaver]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Joo Rip

[the_beaver]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Usually schools get worse and not much the other way around. You can see this by the fact that 2/3 of the schools have hogwonized.


good for you on your extra stuff but you are working much more than 12 hours.

seems like you are doing about 2,7 a month working much more than the base.


At least republicans don't come and pretend every thing is great until a storm strikes. but I voted for Gore in the last election if it makes you feel better.

See above for what I said of how to calculate salaries.


And 2 million isn't much in Korea anyway. ask Real Reality for income figures.

[the_beaver]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

RR's figures are right on especailly when you throw out the salaries of factory workers.

and the money is not concentrated in the hands of a few families. at least not the way you are telling it where are you getting that from?

and anyway Koreans don't declare all income. You think the Duk boki Ajuma tells the government how much she earns?

Koreans have money for Sonatas and 32 Pyung apartments not all of them got it from their parents.

I think my way of figuring out salaries is very accurate. It even values in vacations.


Now did you make 36 million last year?otherwise you did not make 3 million a month. why not just use the most conservate figures when you talk about your conditions?

Why do people have this desire to puff their conditions i don't understand.


I am glad you are doing well, lets see if it lasts. Lets see if it is this way two years from now.

If it is really so good their then word will get around and lots of people will be out to get your job.

If these things did last then there would not be the turn over there is at universites.

[SuperHero]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[desultude]

I get paid 2,400,000 per month, And I have housing, airfare, and severance. In addition, I have 5 months paid vacation, during which I teach 3 weeks camp, twice, for an additional 2 month's wages- that makes 14 months wages, with 3.5 months off. Right now I am teaching overtime for an additional 1,000,000 per month, for two months. Now I am at 35,600,000, (I believe- I teach English, not math ), not counting pension and severance and the value of the housing.

I know people who make more, but I'm not complaining. I know that after I finish this overtime gig and am back to 18 hours a week, I will be looking for worthwhile things to fill my free time. Even if I count prep and correcting- equal to classroom time, I still have a lot of free time.

My only regret? I want to live in or close to Seoul. Can't have everything. . .

[the_beaver]

[Jensen]

[SuperHero]