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Peer-reveiw process needs some reveiwing.

 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: Peer-reveiw process needs some reveiwing. Reply with quote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dangerous-spin-doctors-7-_b_747325.html

A recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found over 40 percent of the best designed, peer-reviewed scientific papers published in the world's top medical journals misrepresented the actual findings of the research.(i) The "spin doctors" writing the papers found a way to show treatments worked, when in fact, they didn't.

Doctors and health care consumers rely on published scientific studies to guide their decisions about which treatments work and which don't. We expect academic medical researchers to determine what needs to be studied, and to objectively report their data. We rely on government regulators to prevent harmful medications from being approved, or to quickly remove harmful medications or treatments from the market.

What most physicians and consumers don't recognize is that science is now for sale; published data often misrepresents the truth, academic medical research has become corrupted by pharmaceutical money and special interests, and government regulators more often protect industry than the public. Increasingly, academic medical researchers are for hire, and research, once a pure activity of inquiry, is now a tool for promoting products.

Science has always been considered an objective endeavor that removes bias and is inherently true and reliable. While we may acknowledge that some science is inferior in design or execution, and that there are a few corrupt scientists, we mostly believe what is published in the world's top medical journals such as the Journal of the American Medical Association and New England Journal of Medicine can be counted on to guide our medical decisions. We still have trust in the scientific method. That trust may be misguided.
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JMO



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good article. there are many problems in the process caused by the amount of money at stake.

I'd resist the tempation to throw the baby out with the bathwater though. Its still by far the best method we have.

Here is a good piece from 'science based medicine' on the topic. It illustrates how complex this subject is and how fraught with bias it can be.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=7811
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the attacks on modern peer review that have been on this forum recently fairly convincing. I think the academic community could take some steps to improve the situation somewhat, but I also think that Kuros previous suggestion that we change how we think about the scientific method is a good one. As much as the scientific method is in my estimation an effective, rational way of examining the world, it's almost impossible for modern scientists to utilize it in its purest form; they have far too much to gain by "cheating" so to speak, both in terms of career advancement and in terms of ensuring the quite substantial funding required for many fields of modern research. We need to accept that and be appropriately suspicious.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have personally spoken to scientists that have complained about the opposite as well. That competitors get others to scrutinize their papers very harshly to stall them from getting published first so that the competitors can rip off their ideas and publish first.

I got the impression that they were very disillusioned about the process. I was pretty surprised myself but after I thought about it, it made a lot of sense unfortunately.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven Keen on academic research:

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2010/10/26/australian-research-funding/

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Australian readers may have seen the criticisms I made of the Australian Research Council�s (ARC�s) funding process in Erica Cervini�s article �Show us the Money�, published in The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald in the last week. The basic proposition was that the system is likely to support research in an existing paradigm, and reject exploration of alternatives to that paradigm:

If Albert Einstein had applied for an Australian research grant, he may never have developed his theory of relativity. Those supporting the old style of physics would have stopped him obtaining funding, says an associate professor in economics and finance at the University of Western Sydney, Steve Keen.

�If Einstein needed time or money to build his theory, he�d never have got them under the Australian Research Council,� he says.

Keen uses the example to illustrate how tough he says it is for people with unorthodox views to win research grants from the council, the independent body responsible for managing the national competitive grants program, the pre-eminent Australian research awards.


The ARC is supposed to allocate the government�s money wisely to support research by Australia�s academics, but because it uses a peer review approach to decide which proposals are worth funding, it is inherently biased against innovative research. If a new researcher in a field formed the opinion that a currently insoluble problem (say, the results of �Black Body� radiation experiments) might just require a fundamental shift in thinking (such assuming that there was a fundamental minimum value for energy, rather than it being a continuous variable), it is highly unlikely that established researchers would think his idea worthy of funding. Yet that idea might be right and the established way of thinking wrong.

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The irony is that this �be careful with our money� attitude ends up ensuring that the money will rarely if ever be used to achieve fundamental progress. If they want ARC funding, academics have to spend literally months each year drafting proposals which are then reviewed by other academics to decide which projects actually get funding. This is inherently a way of ensuring that only ideas that are extensions of currently accepted thought will get funded.


The problems of gate keeping, corruption, politics and corporate dominance have undermined my faith in scientific progress and the ability of academics and researchers to improve the world in a meaningful way.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Placebo fraud rocks the very foundation of modern medical science; thousands of clinical trials invalidated

Thursday, October 28, 2010
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger


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(NaturalNews) You know all those thousands of clinical trials conducted over the last few decades comparing pharmaceuticals to placebo pills? Well, it turns out all those studies must now be completely thrown out as utterly non-scientific. And why? Because the placebos used in the studies weren't really placebos at all, rendering the studies scientifically invalid.

This is the conclusion from researchers at the University of California who published their findings in the October issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine. They reviewed 167 placebo-controlled trials published in peer-reviewed medical journals in 2008 and 2009 and found that 92 percent of those trials never even described the ingredients of their placebo pills.
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