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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Sluggo,
After teaching in the US, 99% of the problems in Korea you encounter will seem like a cakewalk -- the only problem I have really had is that you can not talk directly to the parents. Even if they speak English, most of the time their grasp of the language is not sufficient to handle a phone conversation about little Jimmy. Going through an intermediary doesn't have the same effect.
Everything else -- the hours, the workload, the administrative BS, the student behavior, the office in-fighting, the stupid expectations of administrators trying to please parents, the lack of support, the lack of textbooks, whatever -- was worse in the US.
Folks that think teaching in Korea is horrible should NOT teach in the US -- most of the problem is that the JOB of teaching is tough, regardless of where you are. If you could handle it back in your home country, Sluggo, I am sure you will have no trouble here. Good luck to you! |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| thegadfly wrote: |
Sluggo,
After teaching in the US, 99% of the problems in Korea you encounter will seem like a cakewalk -- the only problem I have really had is that you can not talk directly to the parents. Even if they speak English, most of the time their grasp of the language is not sufficient to handle a phone conversation about little Jimmy. Going through an intermediary doesn't have the same effect.
Everything else -- the hours, the workload, the administrative BS, the student behavior, the office in-fighting, the stupid expectations of administrators trying to please parents, the lack of support, the lack of textbooks, whatever -- was worse in the US.
Folks that think teaching in Korea is horrible should NOT teach in the US -- most of the problem is that the JOB of teaching is tough, regardless of where you are. If you could handle it back in your home country, Sluggo, I am sure you will have no trouble here. Good luck to you! |
Folks, that's a bunch of BS.  |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| darren0946uk wrote: |
Take away soju, free apartments, the eye candy for some then please tell me what this place has to offer. This is to people who have travelled and are not just piss heads heheh.
I love to hear your comments. However if you love it bless you in that also. |
Korea has plenty to offer - but probably not what many westerners are looking for when they come here.
I've visited 41 countries (I backpacked and hitched for 8 years), and I've lived long-term in European, Asian and Australasian countries. I, too, find Korea pretty boring and bland (I don't drink much, and never go to bars).
However, Korea can be interesting for a traveller. I loved my 2 years hiking in Gyeong Ju, my urban adventures in Seoul, and my freshwater fishing on the Nakdong Rv. and a local small bass lake. Perhaps my best time in Korea has been being able to practice Buddhism (but I can't say I ever got used to the occassional pointing and stares at the temples).
It's not all bad, but it sure ain't Thailand. Oh, and did I mention the money. It's a pretty good wage for TEFL - and if you have half a brain, the saving is fantastic. |
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MalFSU1
Joined: 27 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest to anyone coming in to Korea....stay away from public elementary schools. I certainly did not expect the kids to be perfect angels(kids are kids afterall), but the behavior I have seen in my classrooms and out in the halls is absolutely ridiculous. I sadly do not control the classroom, as my coteacher handles the discipline(quite rarely). I have broken up several fights this year, had chairs thrown during class, had kids scream bloody murder into my ears when I try to help them, and had kids sneeze into my face. The classes are too big, and the kids have such little respect for subject teachers.
As a coteacher you have such little power to discipline, half the ideas I have given to try to get the kids to calm down....writing sentences, staying after class to clean up have all been turned down because parents or homeroom teacher might be upset. Also, god forbid the kids bring their supplies to class(what's a pencil?!?) or ask to go to the bathroom instead of just running off during classtime. Just something to think about for newbies coming in. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Damn ...You must be at a bad Elementary school.
It sounds like the whole school sucks
Not all of them are like that, thankfully
And the vast majority are way better than schools back home for behavior and the students attitude etc |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| thegadfly wrote: |
Sluggo,
After teaching in the US, 99% of the problems in Korea you encounter will seem like a cakewalk -- the only problem I have really had is that you can not talk directly to the parents. Even if they speak English, most of the time their grasp of the language is not sufficient to handle a phone conversation about little Jimmy. Going through an intermediary doesn't have the same effect.
Everything else -- the hours, the workload, the administrative BS, the student behavior, the office in-fighting, the stupid expectations of administrators trying to please parents, the lack of support, the lack of textbooks, whatever -- was worse in the US.
Folks that think teaching in Korea is horrible should NOT teach in the US -- most of the problem is that the JOB of teaching is tough, regardless of where you are. If you could handle it back in your home country, Sluggo, I am sure you will have no trouble here. Good luck to you! |
Folks, that's a bunch of BS.  |
Which part, Ramen?
I worked for 8 years in the US -- public high school positions, English (not ESL) in Texas and Michigan.
I've worked in Korea for longer than that, simply because I have far less crap to deal with here whilst doing my job, and I am able to save quite a bit more money than I could in the US.
I HAVE gone back to the US several times -- tried several different schools, and the best US school position was still marginally more BS than when I worked at Wonderland, which was my worst experience in Korea.
The JOB is great -- but a lot of folks teaching in Korea have no experience in the actual job -- this is their first teaching experience, and it sucks -- guess what, your first year of teaching sucks, no matter where you are. If you care about your performance, you are constantly disappointed, and you make many huge mistakes, regardless of which country you are in. Here, cut off from their support network, the stress of the job can be magnified.... |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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*Sigh* Another typical day. Classes were changed, no one bothered to tell me. I had to physically throw a kid out of class who was throwing things. He refused to go, I hauled him out by his coat. He threatened to hit me, got a good chuckle out of that. Meanwhile, my worthless co-teacher had her back to the class, as usual, texting or something.
I can't wait to take a vacation and get the *beep* out of here! |
What grade level are these students? |
That particular kid is Middle School 3, he's over 6 ft tall and very stupid. Has caused lots of trouble all 3 years here. Next year, he's headed to the lowest ranked school that's basically a dumping ground. The kind of school that takes students that no one else wants. I can't see this kid doing anything but driving a taxi or something very menial.
At this place, we pretend to teach and the students pretend to learn! |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| RMNC wrote: |
| Ah, so you're old fat guys. That's probably why you're treated so poorly. Maybe if you were handsome aged gentlemen you would get better treatment. |
there's nothing worse than being an old fat guy.
except being an old fat gal. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:00 am Post subject: |
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I am a teacher in America, and I am already burnt out after 3 years.
Too many kids, little funding. Budget cuts. "No child left behind".....
Fights, foul mouths, unnecessary drama, and overall stupidity in the classroom.
Ive been doing this for 3 years and decided for a change (Korea ESL)
Please tell me Im not jumping out the oven into the fryer. lol |
I know people who've made that transition and are extremely happy with it. A lot of the bellyaching here is by people who are upset that they're teaching in the first place rather than writing the great American novel. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Did he really just say "turn Injun"? |
LOL - yes he did! ROFL! |
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PastorYoon

Joined: 25 Jun 2010 Location: Sea of Japan
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| RMNC wrote: |
| Ah, so you're old fat guys. That's probably why you're treated so poorly. Maybe if you were handsome aged gentlemen you would get better treatment. |
there's nothing worse than being an old fat guy. |
Yes, there is - being an old fat Korean guy. |
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PastorYoon

Joined: 25 Jun 2010 Location: Sea of Japan
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| OP, happy for you! Really! I went on a three weeks vacation to Europe this summer! Boy, did that feel great to be out of here! |
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PastorYoon

Joined: 25 Jun 2010 Location: Sea of Japan
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:50 am Post subject: |
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It's interesting how the country of Korea can become an easy target for someone who may not be happy their life to simply blame everything on. Bad coworkers = Korea is bad. Photocopy machine doesn't work = Korea is bad. This seat is uncomfortable = Korea is bad. I have a headache = Korea is bad.
Come on now... It's not the country, it's your state of mind...
Don't blame Korea. Korea, numba one. |
Yes, blame Korea, because the amount of negative things that happen to you on a daily basis in Korea completely outweighs the negative things that happen in any other country! Why is that so? |
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daveweave2
Joined: 08 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: I Understand |
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[quote="oldfatfarang"][quote="RMNC"]Ah, so you're old fat guys. That's probably why you're treated so poorly. Maybe if you were handsome aged gentlemen you would get better treatment.[/quote]
I wasn't (that) old when I first came to Korea. I wasn't fat, either. Things have changeee.[/quote]
I did three and a half years am 55, my first year was passable head teacher in a private school, next five months in Daegu YBM I quit horrible people and stole from me also. Last two years in EPIK three schools great rural kids really nice for the most part. Lots of silly stuff two good co teachers one bad, I made some Korean friends whom I still talk to, met the love of my life Philippine College Prof am with her now. There are some Koreans that I really like, just hate their culture and feel bad because they are its worst victims. Its a lot the luck of the draw where you land, the emphasis on appearance is just stupid and a downfall to their system. I am however glad to be gone, wow ten years my hats off to you, good luck. |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| ... Best part, aside from the beaches, much needed fresh air and exercise, is talking with people from around the world who could care less about Korea. |
From the tone of your post, wouldn't you get more satisfaction from talking with people who couldn't care less about Korea?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw |
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