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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: Do public schools usually want teachers to renew? |
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| I'm nearly six months into my contract and I passed my open class. I also try really hard to do whatever is asked of me and do it well. My biggest weakness is that I sometimes arrive at school a few minutes late. I'm not late to class, I'm not unprepared for class. I'm just not a morning person and will arrive 25 minutes before the first class instead of the entire 30 minutes that is preferred. I like where I work and I think a second year would work out nicely. So, what are my chances? |
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Kimjongil76
Joined: 02 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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You will probably get offered. My school wanted me a third year, as well as they offered every E-2 visa holder a chance to stay in the area.
I rarely find someone who doesn't get a chance to stay at their school. If it happens it is usually because the teacher wants to transfer or move on. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Only 1 person who reapplied in my Province got turned down out of 18 applicants. So the chances are pretty damn good that you'll be accepted
I'm at EPIK, I don't know if that makes any difference or not.
I don't know what the reason was for not accepting the unlucky applicant but I'd guess it was more serious than being 5 minutes late for work  |
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yfb
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Generally by the third year, they'll want a fresh face. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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I finished my last contract in 2007, getting paperwork together to return again. I had a good experience and would have renewed, did not for non-teaching reasons.
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| Generally by the third year, they'll want a fresh face. |
Yeah, I think this is right. Even Korean teachers are transfered out after 3 or 4 years. |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| In the 4 years I've been in EPIK, I've seen LOTS of people come and go. The average stay is one or two years at the most. This is definately my last year! |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Do public schools usually want teachers to renew? |
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| Illysook wrote: |
| I'm nearly six months into my contract and I passed my open class. I also try really hard to do whatever is asked of me and do it well. My biggest weakness is that I sometimes arrive at school a few minutes late. I'm not late to class, I'm not unprepared for class. I'm just not a morning person and will arrive 25 minutes before the first class instead of the entire 30 minutes that is preferred. I like where I work and I think a second year would work out nicely. So, what are my chances? |
I arrive 5 mins before class. Sometimes less.
been at the same school for a couple of years. It's a non issue (unless I were actually to be late). I was late by a minute or two several times and it was pointed out to me that Korean teachers usually get to school by 8:10 at the latest. I followed the rule of "snip" and made sure not to be late even by a little, but almost never make it in before 8:23. No complaints.
I'm also the world's worst morning person.
anyways , your renewal offer won't be based on "that" issue, it would only be used as a face saving excuse if they didn't like you for other reasons. |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| If you poured enough soju for the P and/or Vp and they like you. Resigning is pretty much automatic. If they have it in for you then odds are some BS reason will be given when your co-teacher broaches the subject. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Xuanzang wrote: |
| Resigning is pretty much automatic. If they have it in for you then odds are some BS reason will be given when your co-teacher broaches the subject. |
This.^
As for the soju thing...I don't drink or go to that many school dinners...it's probably in your favor if you do but not absolutely necessary. I've done 3 years at one school (was asked to stay a 4th) and 2 ( possibly a third ) at my current one, so it doesn't seem to have hurt. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on if your co-teachers like you and want you to stay....the upper staff just signs off their evaluation scores.
I suppose you could have pissed off the principal and be not resigned, but it's unlikely. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ukon wrote: |
Depends on if your co-teachers like you and want you to stay....the upper staff just signs off their evaluation scores.
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this.
my ex vp who is now at a different school recently told me that at his new school, he wanted to renew the NET there, but the coteachers hated the guy's guts and absolutely wanted him gone.
He had to go along with the coteachers.
of course, being on good terms or well thought of by the vp and p is a good thing, but people forget how important the coteachers are in the equation.
(of course, if the coteachers see you are in really tight with the vp or p (few people are, unless they speak English and most don't) then they'll be less likely to be highly critical of you for whatever reason(s). |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| passport220 wrote: |
I finished my last contract in 2007, getting paperwork together to return again. I had a good experience and would have renewed, did not for non-teaching reasons.
| yfb wrote: |
| Generally by the third year, they'll want a fresh face. |
Yeah, I think this is right. Even Korean teachers are transfered out after 3 or 4 years. |
Are you serious? that sounds pretty sucky for the K-teachers lol! |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
| passport220 wrote: |
I finished my last contract in 2007, getting paperwork together to return again. I had a good experience and would have renewed, did not for non-teaching reasons.
| yfb wrote: |
| Generally by the third year, they'll want a fresh face. |
Yeah, I think this is right. Even Korean teachers are transfered out after 3 or 4 years. |
Are you serious? that sounds pretty sucky for the K-teachers lol! |
no, it's actually the opposite.
a fresh/new Korean teacher in the PS system has absolutely zero control or choice as to where he/she is placed. With seniority, and "points" under the Korean system, the teacher will get more of an opportunity to be placed where he/she wants to be placed, which for almost everyone means simply to be as close to home as possible. In Gepik for e.g. you can be placed at one end of the province while living on the opposite end (perhaps not that extreme, but not far off the mark)
one of my coteachers lives in SE Seoul and it's a full 2 hour subway ride for her to get to my school in my factory town. On top of it, it's a vocational school with students who aren't interested in school much less English. She's literally counting the hours I am sure until this February, when with her accrued "hazard duty" points she'll be able to go to a school much closer to home and at least cut her commute in half with the benefit of probably getting better students in another HS, or better yet, a middle school.
I'm not sure about other POE's in Korea, but in Gyonggi, I know for a fact, that most teachers have to transfer schools after 3-4 years, though some exceptions can be made for up to 8 years I think. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Vagabundo wrote: |
no, it's actually the opposite.
a fresh/new Korean teacher in the PS system has absolutely zero control or choice as to where he/she is placed. With seniority, and "points" under the Korean system, the teacher will get more of an opportunity to be placed where he/she wants to be placed, which for almost everyone means simply to be as close to home as possible. In Gepik for e.g. you can be placed at one end of the province while living on the opposite end (perhaps not that extreme, but not far off the mark)
one of my coteachers lives in SE Seoul and it's a full 2 hour subway ride for her to get to my school in my factory town. On top of it, it's a vocational school with students who aren't interested in school much less English. She's literally counting the hours I am sure until this February, when with her accrued "hazard duty" points she'll be able to go to a school much closer to home and at least cut her commute in half with the benefit of probably getting better students in another HS, or better yet, a middle school.
I'm not sure about other POE's in Korea, but in Gyonggi, I know for a fact, that most teachers have to transfer schools after 3-4 years, though some exceptions can be made for up to 8 years I think. |
In my province it's every 3-5 years. I believe that teachers in counties are allowed a request to transfer after 3 years, but can stay a max of 5 years at one school. In the cities I think they can ship you out anytime if the education office wants but teachers generally stay 3-5 years. The more remote the location the more points you get. You'll see a lot of younger teachers in the more remote areas since they usually get stuck with undesirable locations. Also if a teacher does something bad, say get caught for drunk driving then very likely they'll ship that teacher to some undesirable place. |
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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I did 1.5 years at my school and they wanted me to stay another year. They even emailed me recently (I'm still in touch with them) after finding out I quit my job in Japan and they wanted me to go back. I'm considering it though I do want to move on.
I'd say three years is pretty normal, like most people on this forum are suggesting. |
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