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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well, komerica , er, rails, some people believe in principles rather than principals(the boss-drunks you party with and kiss butt with). As such, they fight discrimination and believe in equality. They(e.g. Ben Wagner-a man you do not belong in the same room with, on an intellectual or moral level)actually think that to prevent ROK students from being exposed to drug-addicted, HIV-infected pedophiles, ALL teachers should be given the same rigmarole...Korean, British, Canadian, Sudanese....
"Think of the children!  " YOU do, right, rails?!
A "Big Deal"? GDR it's a big deal. Unless you think racism anywhere isn't a "big deal".
As for Frank Burns, er, Myth...medical checks, as set up by the present racist ROK gov. policies, are unacceptable. When I got on JET(I was on it for 3 yrs. , which was the max. allowable at the time)I took the required med. test BEFORE I gained final acceptance, as per JET protocols. I took the test in my HOMETOWN, by my FAMILY doctor! In the following 3 yrs. , I NEVER had to take another med. test.
You'll never be a JET, will you Myth(and you want to be one, right?) 
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
Well, komerica , er, rails, some people believe in principles rather than principals(the boss-drunks you party with and kiss butt with). As such, they fight discrimination and believe in equality. They(e.g. Ben Wagner-a man you do not belong in the same room as, on an intellectual or moral level)actually think that to prevent ROK students from being exposed to drug-addicted, HIV-infected pedophiles, ALL teachers should be given the same rigmarole...Korean, British, Canadian, Sudanese....
"Think of the children! " YOU do, right, rails?!
A "Big Deal"? GDR it's a big deal. Unless you think racism anywhere isn't a "big deal".
As for Frank Burns, er, Myth...medical checks, as set up by the present racist ROK gov. policies, are unacceptable. When I got on JET(I was on it for 3 yrs. , which was the max. allowable at the time)I took the required med. test BEFORE I gained final acceptance, as per JET protocols. I took the test in my HOMETOWN, by my FAMILY doctor! In the following 3 yrs. , I NEVER had to take another med. test.
You'll never be a JET, will you Myth(and you want to be one, right?) |
Nope...I'd rather be ON one. (you can decide whether that means the version of the machine or the young pretty female version.)
Although I must say that three years sounds slightly more racist than unlimited returns. Just slightly mind you. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: JETs, etc., |
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Good job myth...ignore''your'' issues(the arguments against which you can never win)and ignore the issues on THIS VERY PAGE.
And give the readers some pap, sap & crap about "Jets"! You will NEVER be on the Japanese JET Programme. You will sweat & lament that fact but you will never change it...and rightly so.
BTW... I hope you're on a jet too!
JET is an EXCHANGE programme ... for ALTs, the period of service has been extended to 5 yrs.(it was 3 for yrs.).
BTW stoolrails, tough guy, answer the Q...are you a Gyopo or aren't you!!??
Simple Q asking a simple A. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: JETs, etc., |
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| Mosley wrote: |
Good job myth...ignore''your'' issues(the arguments against which you can never win)and ignore the issues on THIS VERY PAGE.
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What issues are those? We've already established that you want all the E-2 teachers on this board to spend thousands of dollars flying back home and to Korea. That is the only issue worth addressing and it illustrates perfectly why we should ignore Mr. Wagner. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: JETs, etc., |
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| Mosley wrote: |
BTW stoolrails, tough guy, answer the Q...are you a Gyopo or aren't you!!??
Simple Q asking a simple A. |
I've already answered that, but why not answer it again. I am not a gyopo. I'm an adopted Korean.
Now does that make my opinion invalid?
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| s such, they fight discrimination and believe in equality. They(e.g. Ben Wagner-a man you do not belong in the same room with, on an intellectual or moral level) |
Ben Wagner and Andrea Vandom didn't seem to give two craps about
minority/immigrant equality issues back home in their own countries before they moved here and suddenly had the shoe on the other foot.
No, I'm not going to hold them up as paragons of virtue. If you want to say that they are pursuing their own interests, which is as a fine cause, then alright. But unless Wagner and Vandom were as sensitive to these issues back home then I'll look at them as nothing more than interest pursuers.
I'll actually care if Wagner and Vandom were in their bid for 'equality' demanding that NETs also work on Saturdays and attend staff meetings. I'd care if they demanded that our pension money not be refunded. I'd care if they demanded that we pay Korean taxes and that males be entered onto the draft rolls.
No I do not want equality. The baggage that comes with inequality is nothing compared to the baggage that comes with equality.
You don't want equality Mosley, you want the best dish your plate can get. Fine, that's great. But that is not the fight for equality and it is wrong to characterize it as such.
With rights come responsibilities. Argue for equality in responsibility and I'll listen to your argument for equality in rights. If you are not arguing for those things well then, in one ear out the other. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Come, now Maj. Burns: Where in the HELL did I ever say I "want" E-2s, whoever, to spend "thousands of dollars"?!! Your claim is a lie ...your MO. Are you proud!!!!???
Well, now, rails, you FINALLY admit that you're of Korean lineage...which goes a long way to expose your racial insecurities. No shame mate, if you man up & admit it all....
You first denied any knowledge of Wagner & Vandom. Curious, no? And now they're the anti-Christ coalition you've known about for centuries. Hmmmm.
"No I do not want equality." Damned straight you don't, mate. That's obvious from months of your posts.
Wagner & Vandom? Fine, noble people. Rails only found out about them days ago and he should feel ashamed of that fact.... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:32 am Post subject: |
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You first denied any knowledge of Wagner & Vandom. Curious, no? And now they're the anti-Christ coalition you've known about for centuries. Hmmmm.
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Uhm, I've known about Wagner and Vandom since last year, I don't know where in my posts I said I never heard about them. Post a quote please.
Find that and post that.
Heck, check my posts from back in the day (though the ATEK thread might have been taken down)
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| Well, now, rails, you FINALLY admit that you're of Korean lineage...which goes a long way to expose your racial insecurities. No shame mate, if you man up & admit it all.... |
Racial insecurities? Wow, simply because I'm Korean and disagree with you.
Now how do you know my stance comes from my Korean side?
Maybe I feel the way I do because of my American nationality & heritage's history of combating the kind of insensitivity and judgmentalism that you others post on this board.
Or maybe, in the downside of things, maybe my stance is a result of that whole nation without an ethnicity thing Americans have and I've leached onto Korea as my "ethnicity" and are using American 9/11 style patriotism to defend my country right or wrong.
May I ask what your background is Mosley? and what labels I can attach to you simply because you are from that background. And you have the gall to claim you are against prejudice and bigotry.
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| "No I do not want equality." Damned straight you don't, mate. That's obvious from months of your posts. |
Do you want equality Mosley?
Do you want to serve in the Korean Armed Forces? Do you want to pay Korean taxes in full? Do you want to have your pension money go permanently into the Korean coffers? Do you want to work on Saturday? Do you want to not get free rent? Do you want to have to earn a degree in education in order to teach at a public school? Do you want to sit in those staff meetings? Do you want to stay till 8-9PM everyday your first year?
Say this in the same sentence- "I want to not have to take HIV tests like Korean Hagwon teachers and I want to serve in the military like Korean men. I want equality."
Because unless you are saying both of those things your whole schpiel about equality is complete garbage.
What you want is all of the benefits and none of the responsibility. Great. But your position is not based on equality and fairness but hedonism. [/quote] |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Come, now Maj. Burns: Where in the HELL did I ever say I "want" E-2s, whoever, to spend "thousands of dollars"?!! Your claim is a lie ...your MO. Are you proud!!!!???
Wagner & Vandom? Fine, noble people. Rails only found out about them days ago and he should feel ashamed of that fact.... |
I never said you SAID you wanted E-2's to spend thousands of dollars. I said that is clear what you want. Because if you back Mr. Wagner's claim that the tests for E-2's are a violation of our human right under the Korean constitution, there is nothing stopping Immigration from moving these tests off-shore. Which would get around Mr. Wagner's claim quite nicely. Why would they do that? Because Immigration have already said they are keeping these tests. So that would require all E-2's here to go back to their home country. Good job on that.
Now stop telling fibs about me and Mr. Steelrails. As we can clearly see that is YOUR M.O as you are the only one who has done so...twice in your post above. |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I see, Myth...I never "said"(that would be "wrote", actually, but I don't think verb choice...to say nothing of actual EFL teaching...is actually your priority during your prolonged adolescence in Korea)something but due to your all-knowing, mind-reading powers you just "know" what I meant!!
Gee, is credibility your strong suit, mate?
As for the great impostor... simple Q, rails: As an ethnic Korean , what visa are you currently on?
If rails & Myth are the best that the apologist set can muster, then the cause of Wagner, Vandom, et al., looks promising indeed.
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| As an ethnic Korean , what visa are you currently on? |
F-4. And I had to take a drug and HIV test, submit a CBC, bring my degree, and jump through all the hoops as well as deal with the Korean government to make sure I didn't end up holding a K-2 rifle when I came over.
So I deal with all the things E-2 visas did, and I had to deal with more.
Did you have to deal with making sure you weren't drafted into the Korean army?
But I'm not going to scream how the visa process is racist. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I know I said I'd step back, but there's a few things just too ridiculous that Mosley is ignoring, apparently in favor of being little more than an obnoxious troll. Seriously, Mosley, how do you expect to persuade anyone with that attitude? A little sarcasm, sure, but you just look even more childish than a certain one of your opponents.
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| Because if you back Mr. Wagner's claim that the tests for E-2's are a violation of our human right under the Korean constitution, there is nothing stopping Immigration from moving these tests off-shore. Which would get around Mr. Wagner's claim quite nicely. Why would they do that? Because Immigration have already said they are keeping these tests. So that would require all E-2's here to go back to their home country. Good job on that. |
What makes you think that immigration would force teachers who have already been tested to fly back to their home countries to be tested a second time? Your proposition makes less than perfect sense.
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| Do you want to serve in the Korean Armed Forces? Do you want to pay Korean taxes in full? Do you want to have your pension money go permanently into the Korean coffers? Do you want to work on Saturday? Do you want to not get free rent? Do you want to have to earn a degree in education in order to teach at a public school? Do you want to sit in those staff meetings? Do you want to stay till 8-9PM everyday your first year? |
These are all 맛있겟다 herrings, but unfortunately I'm still stuffed from the lies and misrepresented statistics we were all fed during the introduction of the last round of visa regulations. Did you not get any?
Seriously though, everything you listed comes with its own benefits.
Korean Armed Forces: Korean citizens must join because Korean citizens are the main benefactors of its protection. Also, most nations are wary of their citizens fighting for other countries or other having other nations' citizens fight directly under theirs.
pay Korean taxes in full: Erhm, I do... If you're referring to the reciprocal tax agreement Korea has with some other countries, well, it's reciprocal...
pension money: Koreans claim their pension once they reach a certain age. It's not an additional tax like you're insinuating.
work on Saturday / staff meetings / stay till 8-9PM everyday: If I get the higher status, pay increase, increased job security, and much higher glass ceiling that Korean teachers get to compensate for the additional responsibility, sure.
not get free rent: It's not 'free rent;' it's part of our paycheck, that many of us have to pay taxes on (if accepted as a stipend).
to have to earn a degree in education: This simply isn't true. There are currently five Korean teachers working at my (public) school that don't have education degrees. They don't get the full status and pay grade as regular Korean teachers that have the proper degree, though (curiously, just like NETs).
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I see, Myth...I never "said"(that would be "wrote", actually, but I don't think verb choice...to say nothing of actual EFL teaching...is actually your priority during your prolonged adolescence in Korea)something but due to your all-knowing, mind-reading powers you just "know" what I meant!!
Gee, is credibility your strong suit, mate?
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It certainly is...more than yours anyway. And it has nothing to do with mind-reading powers...just critical thinking.
Unless of course you think that the ROK government/Immigration will suddenly muster the internal fortitude to reverse course should the KHRC rule in Mr. Wagner's favor. This would be (in the face of opposition from a majority of parents/voters as a recent KT article pointed out).
And people say I'M a Korea apologist...even I wouldn't go THAT far.
Therefore the only option we have left is that of of Immigration moving the tests off-shore. They can't keep them in country as in our hypothetical situation the KHRC has ruled them unconstitutional and they can't drop them because parents want them (according to a poll) what else could they do?
So logically one is left to conclude by supporting Mr. Wagner's crusade, one is willing to see NETS lose thousands of dollars by having to fly BACK from Korea and to Korea again after obtaining the medical check and CBC.
There you go a nice little lesson in logic all gift-wrapped up for you.
If you want more it will cost you though. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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I know I said I'd step back, but there's a few things just too ridiculous that Mosley is ignoring, apparently in favor of being little more than an obnoxious troll. Seriously, Mosley, how do you expect to persuade anyone with that attitude? A little sarcasm, sure, but you just look even more childish than a certain one of your opponents.
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| Because if you back Mr. Wagner's claim that the tests for E-2's are a violation of our human right under the Korean constitution, there is nothing stopping Immigration from moving these tests off-shore. Which would get around Mr. Wagner's claim quite nicely. Why would they do that? Because Immigration have already said they are keeping these tests. So that would require all E-2's here to go back to their home country. Good job on that. |
What makes you think that immigration would force teachers who have already been tested to fly back to their home countries to be tested a second time? Your proposition makes less than zero sense.
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I never said that. What I said was that if these requirements were moved off-shore (which is more likely than Immigration just scrapping them and admitting they were wrong) then NETS who wish to go to a new school AFTER their current contract ends will have to do so.
If they have already been tested they won't have to do so a second time during the length of their current visa. But once their contract ends and they want to go to a new school the medical check and CBC must be re-submitted. And if these requirements were moved off-shore that would be expensive.
Heck Canadians have to have their degrees and CBC's verified by the Korean Embassy in their home country...that's already a step in that direction (at least for Canucks). |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| If they have already been tested they won't have to do so a second time during the length of their current visa. But once their contract ends and they want to go to a new school the medical check and CBC must be re-submitted. And if these requirements were moved off-shore that would be expensive. |
It wouldn't be expensive for NETs. All contracts include airfare to and from, so the only change would be where the testing takes place. Where are you coming up with these thousands of extra dollars we would be forced to pay? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| If they have already been tested they won't have to do so a second time during the length of their current visa. But once their contract ends and they want to go to a new school the medical check and CBC must be re-submitted. And if these requirements were moved off-shore that would be expensive. |
It wouldn't be expensive for NETs. All contracts include airfare to and from, so the only change would be where the testing takes place. Where are you coming up with these thousands of extra dollars we would be forced to pay? |
Schools pay for the airfare TO Korea and back. Not to your home country (to obtain the documentation) and back to Korea (to start the contract) and back to your home country (again after the END of the contract). That's three flights...they pay for two.
And if you work at a public school you don't actually get airfare as such you get 1.3 million won (or 500,000 if hired in-country) which may not cover the cost of either flight to or from Korea depending on when you have to fly back.
And then one has to include the money one spends in their home country for accommodation and food while waiting to get these documents processed. |
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