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DosEquisXX
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| I didn't, but that was for personal reasons. My VP hated me since she made time to speak to me about and then I changed my mind due to an emergency family crisis. She didn't show and was probably more than glad to see me leave. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| passport220 wrote: |
I finished my last contract in 2007, getting paperwork together to return again. I had a good experience and would have renewed, did not for non-teaching reasons.
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| Generally by the third year, they'll want a fresh face. |
Yeah, I think this is right. Even Korean teachers are transfered out after 3 or 4 years. |
Are you serious? that sounds pretty sucky for the K-teachers lol! |
no, it's actually the opposite.
a fresh/new Korean teacher in the PS system has absolutely zero control or choice as to where he/she is placed. With seniority, and "points" under the Korean system, the teacher will get more of an opportunity to be placed where he/she wants to be placed, which for almost everyone means simply to be as close to home as possible. In Gepik for e.g. you can be placed at one end of the province while living on the opposite end (perhaps not that extreme, but not far off the mark)
one of my coteachers lives in SE Seoul and it's a full 2 hour subway ride for her to get to my school in my factory town. On top of it, it's a vocational school with students who aren't interested in school much less English. She's literally counting the hours I am sure until this February, when with her accrued "hazard duty" points she'll be able to go to a school much closer to home and at least cut her commute in half with the benefit of probably getting better students in another HS, or better yet, a middle school.
I'm not sure about other POE's in Korea, but in Gyonggi, I know for a fact, that most teachers have to transfer schools after 3-4 years, though some exceptions can be made for up to 8 years I think. |
There are so many K teachers wanting to transfer out of my rural 'special' students high school, that there's a limit of 8 teachers who can transfer per year.
By 'special', I mean all the kids with anger/psychological/behavioral/study problems (and low Iq's to boot) who were refused entry into any of the high schools in the nearby provincial city. These kids couldn't even get into a technical high school, so they're dumped way out in the country 'vocational' classes.
All our teachers want to be transferred outa here. It's sad seeing these 'special' students make our committed and caring Korean teachers so demoralised and unhappy.
Luckily, I'm done in around 100 days. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: No |
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| No not really but if you mention that you want to renew they will probably accept it rather than go through the recruitment process to find another wonamin. That is unless you are absolutely useless. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: No |
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| No not really but if you mention that you want to renew they will probably accept it rather than go through the recruitment process to find another wonamin. That is unless you are absolutely useless. |
I've know of a few guys who weren't renewed. Their schools absolutely hated them, both teachers and students. I don't get how they could screw it up, but people do. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ...I'm not sure about other POE's in Korea, but in Gyonggi, I know for a fact, that most teachers have to transfer schools after 3-4 years, though some exceptions can be made for up to 8 years I think. |
I was in Gyeongsangbuk-do province. I had a side contract to work on a project with the educational district that involved Korean teachers from all over the province. I also taught classes for the teachers from all over my district. It was a regular topic during class discussion or informally during breaks as teachers tried to find out information about other schools and figure out a transfer strategy. I used it as a topic of debate to improve conversational skills. Many wrote it off as the way of the system and people should accept it, others who had a family and enjoyed the stability of their current job hated it.
The �rule� seemed to be that you were to transfer after 4 years, but there was some wiggle room depending on how they could work the system and their relationship with the higher ups. There were 4 in my regular teacher's class (including my co-teacher) who where dead against it, but had no choice and were gone the next semester. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| It all comes down to your relationship with your co-teacher. It's basically a roll of the dice. Your co-teacher basically listens to the students, their parents, and the Principal. Genrally speaking it is easier to Renew if you don't rock the boat. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| It all comes down to your relationship with your co-teacher. It's basically a roll of the dice. Your co-teacher basically listens to the students, their parents, and the Principal. Genrally speaking it is easier to Renew if you don't rock the boat. |
yes, "rocking the boat" is the fastest and easiest way to get yourself launched. I know of at least one person, and he's a good and dedicated teacher who felt really strongly about doing things "his" way, which rocked the boat. He was basically not renewed at 2 schools and he's a really good teacher.
I only "rock the boat" within the system and within the guidelines I am allowed to rock it. Despite our best intentions and often despite the fact that our way may be superior for the students English acquisition, the bottom line is we were NOT brought over here to "rock the boat".
So I don't rock it. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| It all comes down to your relationship with your co-teacher. It's basically a roll of the dice. Your co-teacher basically listens to the students, their parents, and the Principal. Genrally speaking it is easier to Renew if you don't rock the boat. |
yes, "rocking the boat" is the fastest and easiest way to get yourself launched. I know of at least one person, and he's a good and dedicated teacher who felt really strongly about doing things "his" way, which rocked the boat. He was basically not renewed at 2 schools and he's a really good teacher.
I only "rock the boat" within the system and within the guidelines I am allowed to rock it. Despite our best intentions and often despite the fact that our way may be superior for the students English acquisition, the bottom line is we were NOT brought over here to "rock the boat".
So I don't rock it. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Renewing in Korea as a foreigner isn't about how good you are as a teacher. That has very little to do with it.
I knew a teacher who would do their own thing at times, like call in sick when their awful little one room was so noisy they got no sleep the night/morning before school. They told their school why they weren't coming in that day, asked the school to do something about the problem and said they would come in to school the next day.
There were some other issues where they established boundaries. Another teacher I knew never had a teaching job in her life, couldn't put together a lesson plan until well into the job. Didn't teach anything interesting. She got renewed  and so did the other teacher I mentioned.
Other teachers have got the Big A because one higher up (nearly always an older male) doesn't like them. The students can love you, you can be a great teacher with great experience but whether you get renewed doesn't boil down to your teaching ability in the end. |
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