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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A system very like Crossmr's based around an i5 760 and a GTX460 with a gentle OC on both CPU and GPU could probably get you over 25 FPS in all but a few games at max settings at 1080p.

You're going to need to spend more than 200,000 for a new 27'' monitor.

That iCoda system you link is good spec at a very competitive price. But cost cuts have been made.
The GPU and mobo are low quality brands Asrock and Gainward......

and plain old Samsung RAM at 1333mhz which will limit any OCing you do.

PSU brand is unknown to me, and 600w which will be severly pushing it if you ever want a second GPU.

HDD is 1TB, not bad, but the standard is up to 1.5TB now.

If I was picking components to build a gaming rig for around 1.5 (excl monitor) I wouldn't pick any of those.

They'll probably work fine, but they might be noisy and hot.
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vDroop



Joined: 25 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
I'm actually going to Canada in a few weeks for winter vacation. I could pick one up while I'm there.
any idea what size I need or should I get out a tape measure?


Looking at pics of your mobo, you have an extra slot of space between your top two PCIe slots. Very nice for cooler SLI temps. You'll need a 5 inch for that. Get a flexible one if you want to be on the safe side.

http://estore.asus.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=3728&catid=555
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vDroop wrote:
crossmr wrote:
I'm actually going to Canada in a few weeks for winter vacation. I could pick one up while I'm there.
any idea what size I need or should I get out a tape measure?


Looking at pics of your mobo, you have an extra slot of space between your top two PCIe slots. Very nice for cooler SLI temps. You'll need a 5 inch for that. Get a flexible one if you want to be on the safe side.

http://estore.asus.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=3728&catid=555


Thanks. I'm assuming it doesn't have to be Asus brand right?I've never set up SLI before.
I'll probably just find a local shop and try and pick one up there.

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apparently you can get one in Korea made for this motherboard, its a 3 way though
http://itempage.auction.co.kr/detailview.aspx?itemNo=A546072512
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vDroop



Joined: 25 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally they work with any mobo.

Just be careful. That one you linked won't fit for you. Those are standard 2.5 inch spaces and it's non flex so it won't fit.

You have an extra (half a full 2.5 inch slot of space).. I'm not sure if that makes sense. You don't need the full 5 inches from the one I linked, but the double 2.5 will be too long.


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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right. I actually found the asuszone site for korea selling the flex ones, but they're out of stock. I'll keep poking around. Thanks.
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vDroop



Joined: 25 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ, 25,000w for a bridge... (Korea...)

By the way if you end up with a 2nd card and still no bridge, SLI will still work without the bridge and you will only lose around 10% performance, often less depending on the game.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vDroop wrote:
Christ, 25,000w for a bridge... (Korea...)

By the way if you end up with a 2nd card and still no bridge, SLI will still work without the bridge and you will only lose around 10% performance, often less depending on the game.


The asus zone site has them for 10k
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
A system very like Crossmr's based around an i5 760 and a GTX460 with a gentle OC on both CPU and GPU could probably get you over 25 FPS in all but a few games at max settings at 1080p.

You're going to need to spend more than 200,000 for a new 27'' monitor.

That iCoda system you link is good spec at a very competitive price. But cost cuts have been made.
The GPU and mobo are low quality brands Asrock and Gainward......

and plain old Samsung RAM at 1333mhz which will limit any OCing you do.

PSU brand is unknown to me, and 600w which will be severly pushing it if you ever want a second GPU.

HDD is 1TB, not bad, but the standard is up to 1.5TB now.

If I was picking components to build a gaming rig for around 1.5 (excl monitor) I wouldn't pick any of those.

They'll probably work fine, but they might be noisy and hot.


Graphics card i'll probably get a different one. As far as the mobo brand does it really matter?? It's still an LGA 1366 is ASRock that crappy? And i don't get your comment about Samsung RAM. Samsung is probably the most popular RAM brand i know of...it powers most Macs too. And 1.5TB as standard i don't buy either. The standard is probably more around 500 GB. Power supply would probably be my only concern. At least a 750wt is probably better...

Also i priced this system for the parts separately with better brand names and it came to be a lot more than 1.5, it was closer to 2.0.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsung RAM is definitely not considered enthusiast....Samsung RAM doesn't have heat-spreaders so is clearly not designed to be used in an overclocked system. Macs might use it because Mac's aren't meant to be overclocked.

500GB HDD's are standard? Afraid not. Maybe in laptops.....not in desktops. 2TB drives are on sale now. 1TB was the mainstream drive until about 6 months ago when the 1.5TB's came down to about $100 and became the mainstream choice. 1.5TB's are going for $80 now.

ASrock is the budget line of Asus.......not high-spec.
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vDroop



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Devil, I think it all comes down to what kind of system you want. Your OP is a very strong rig with all enthusiast level parts (watercooling, SSD, gtx 480 etc..) But the pre-built you have linked (other than the CPU) is all low end, budget parts. The rig will run fine, but is drastically different from what you originally posted. It's not future proof and it won't overclock well.

So I'm not sure what you want anymore. If you've moved on from buying a high end computer, down to a short term build on a strict budget, then you will be fine.

- Asrock used to suck but are decent now and very common in Korean builds, along with Foxconn. But don't expect great overclocking.
- The GPU is bad, and should be upgraded
- The RAM will be fine but don't expect great overclocking.
- The PSU is unreliable and too weak. Not future proof. I'd recommend against it. But it will still work until you start upgrading/overclocking.
- HDDs / ODD is really up to your expected use. I have no need for anything more than 1tb personally. If I built new right now, I'd get an SSD for the OS though.

I've built 6 computers in Korea, (2 high performance rigs in the past year) so if you want help with parts and crap let me know. The price of stuff here pisses me off so much that I'm waiting another year to build again.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vDroop wrote:
Red Devil, I think it all comes down to what kind of system you want.


Exactly. You can build something that will just do and get you playing games at a decent framerate........or you can build something that you can actually be proud of, runs cool 'n' quiet, and be able to tweak, OC, and generally have fun with.
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mrxwd



Joined: 09 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of buying the parts in Korea, what about buying them in the US and then bring them along when I leave to Korea?

Does anyone know if the airports/customs will have issues with this?

I was thinking of buying all the necessary parts in the US and then just look for a case in Korea.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you're getting very high end stuff, the price difference is negligible for the other stuff you could be bringing in it's place.

The CPU I bought, for example, was actually $20 cheaper here.
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vDroop



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to give people an idea how insane the prices are here, have a look at these comparisons on enthusiast parts: For the GMarket price I just grabbed the average price one from the search results.

*note - These parts aren't anything special, pretty average for an enthusiast, into overclocking or getting the most of their gaming experience

GPU:

GTX 480 AMP: Newegg - $499 USD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500166&Tpk=gtx480%20amp
GTX 480 AMP: GMarket - $721 USD - http://english.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=193548797&pos_shop_cd=EN&pos_class_cd=90000001&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=gtx480+AMP

That's a 44% mark-up...

Motherboard:

Asus Rampage III extreme: Newegg - $364 USD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131642&Tpk=rampage%203%20extreame
Asus Rampage III extreme: GMarket - $621 USD http://english.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=195125290&pos_shop_cd=EN&pos_class_cd=90000001&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=rampage+III+extreme

A 70% mark-up...

I could go on and on. You get the point.


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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vDroop wrote:
Red Devil, I think it all comes down to what kind of system you want. Your OP is a very strong rig with all enthusiast level parts (watercooling, SSD, gtx 480 etc..) But the pre-built you have linked (other than the CPU) is all low end, budget parts. The rig will run fine, but is drastically different from what you originally posted. It's not future proof and it won't overclock well.

So I'm not sure what you want anymore. If you've moved on from buying a high end computer, down to a short term build on a strict budget, then you will be fine.

- Asrock used to suck but are decent now and very common in Korean builds, along with Foxconn. But don't expect great overclocking.
- The GPU is bad, and should be upgraded
- The RAM will be fine but don't expect great overclocking.
- The PSU is unreliable and too weak. Not future proof. I'd recommend against it. But it will still work until you start upgrading/overclocking.
- HDDs / ODD is really up to your expected use. I have no need for anything more than 1tb personally. If I built new right now, I'd get an SSD for the OS though.

I've built 6 computers in Korea, (2 high performance rigs in the past year) so if you want help with parts and crap let me know. The price of stuff here pisses me off so much that I'm waiting another year to build again.


Thanks for the offer. For me it's about framerates because i play pretty competitively on FPS games. I'm not a PC "enthusiast" persay so i'm not big into tinkering with my PC or OC'ing it. I'm a skeptic when it comes to future proofing PC's. Considering the gaming industry I give any PC no matter how high end at most 3 years so i usually assume i'm buying a new PC after a few years.

I wonder if you used Danawa and grabbed the lowest price, what would be the absolute lowest you could get for these top of the line components...(didn't pay much attention to the brand names though)

Went ahead and did it:
NVidia� GeForce� GTX 480 - 400,000 KRW
Intel� Core� i7 960 - 655,900 KRW
Intel Extreme Series LGA 1366 Intel X58 motherboard - 392,030 KRW
DDR3 6GB PC 1600MHz RAM - 160,900 KRW
Intel 80GB SSD - 223,600 KRW
WD 1TB SATA-II 7200 RPM HDD - 74,500 KRW
CORSAIR PROFESSIONAL SERIES AX850 850W PSU - 334,620 KRW

TOTAL : 2,241,550 KRW
(not including ATX case, DVD drive, sound card, keyboard, mouse, or monitor)


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