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wiganer



Joined: 13 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:46 am    Post subject: Remembrance Day Reply with quote

Most Koreans celebrate November the 11th as 'pepero day' Today, I had 2 minutes silence at 19.00 (China time) to commemorate the fallen of all war dead across the commonwealth.

Most Koreans think it was just themselves and the Americans who saved them from their murdering bretheren in the north where the reality was that thousands of Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, South African and British soldiers also sacrificed the blood of their youth to make South Korea the country it is today. It is a pity far too little attention is paid to this sacrifice - especially from the Koreans themselves.

My own father fought in this war like I'm sure many of your fathers and grandfathers did. I hope the commonwealth can get more recognition from Koreans of all walks of life for what we did for their country.


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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget Turkey. It's a pity that they are often overlooked by foreigners when they list the allies of the Korean conflict. Turkey sent a large force to help liberate the Korean people.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
Don't forget Turkey. It's a pity that they are often overlooked by foreigners when they list the allies of the Korean conflict. Turkey sent a large force to help liberate the Korean people.


You are absolutley right Stan, it's just that rememberance day (Nov 11th) is commemorated throughout the commonwealth in rememberance for it's war dead. I don't know what day Turkey commemorates its war dead I am afraid to say - I hope the Koreans would have more of a clue on that and not reserve the day to rejoice in the eating crappy of chocolate biscuit snacks! Evil or Very Mad
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the Philippines
And the Netherlands
And France
And Greece
And Thailand
And Ethiopia
And Colombia
And Belgium
and Luxembourg

I hope ALL of these countries can get recognition.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
And the Philippines
And the Netherlands
And France
And Greece
And Thailand
And Ethiopia
And Colombia
And Belgium
and Luxembourg

I hope ALL of these countries can get recognition.


I totally agree - it is just that today - is rememberance day - which is when the commonwealth commemorates its war dead - I totally agree that Koreans need to be less ignorant about the sacrifices made by others so they could live in the prosperity they have today. Unfortunatley - in my two years in South Korea - no-one gave two shits about the Korean war 'It's in the past' 'who cares' blah blah blah... but hey, but I got ten boxes of peperos today! Rolling Eyes

Only two people made comments about it, an old guy I met at McDonalds who talked to me about the 'sacrifice from men from 16 countries' and Dr Lee - the head eye surgeon at the Dream Eye centre in Gangnam - top man for an adjosshi!
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
Don't forget Turkey. It's a pity that they are often overlooked by foreigners when they list the allies of the Korean conflict. Turkey sent a large force to help liberate the Korean people.


You are absolutley right Stan, it's just that rememberance day (Nov 11th) is commemorated throughout the commonwealth in rememberance for it's war dead. I don't know what day Turkey commemorates its war dead I am afraid to say - I hope the Koreans would have more of a clue on that and not reserve the day to rejoice in the eating crappy of chocolate biscuit snacks! Evil or Very Mad


Why should Koreans care about your holiday? They eat Pepero because they like the snack and 11/11 looks like Pepero sticks.

It's one thing to hope that Koreans remember the sacrifices made by all countries during the war. It's another to try to force your holiday on them.

...Unless you start observing the American Memorial Day for the sacrifices Americans made to stop the Axis in Europe.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:

Why should Koreans care about your holiday? They eat Pepero because they like the snack and 11/11 looks like Pepero sticks.

It's one thing to hope that Koreans remember the sacrifices made by all countries during the war. It's another to try to force your holiday on them.

...Unless you start observing the American Memorial Day for the sacrifices Americans made to stop the Axis in Europe.


We're going round in circles now aren't we... if it wasn't for the UN - where a significant amount of the troops that came to fight for South Korea were from the commonwealth - the present Korean population would all be starving and cold, praying to the great leader.

And who is saying about 'forcing a holiday' (because it is not even a holiday in the commonwealth you fool Rolling Eyes ) on the Koreans? It is a two minute commemoration to remember the sacrifices of commonwealth soldiers - Koreans today seem to lack even basic knowledge about why they live in relative wealth whereas a few miles north of Seoul they do not.

Unlike the Americans - we (and the rest of the UN) got absolutley nothing out of it once a truce had been brokered.

Why should we commemorate 'memorial day'? The Axis never invaded Britain for one, The United States were in Britain in late 1943 to help us and the Canadians liberate France. Two - you made much money out of our defence against Hitler which was fully paid back in 2006, three - where is your gratitude of British soldiers who have lost lives fighting American wars for the past 65 years - including the wars we are fighting today in Afghanistan and Iraq?
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will be fun

wiganer wrote:

We're going round in circles now aren't we... if it wasn't for the UN - where a significant amount of the troops that came to fight for South Korea were from the commonwealth - the present Korean population would all be starving and cold, praying to the great leader.


Ok, not arguing with you there...

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And who is saying about 'forcing a holiday' (because it is not even a holiday in the commonwealth you fool Rolling Eyes ) on the Koreans? It is a two minute commemoration to remember the sacrifices of commonwealth soldiers - Koreans today seem to lack even basic knowledge about why they live in relative wealth whereas a few miles north of Seoul they do not.


Ok, I misused the word. I'll say, "special day." It's YOUR (you being the Commonwealth) day/ 2 minutes.

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Unlike the Americans - we got absolutley nothing out of it once a truce had been brokered.


Details... How did the US benefit? Economic relations with SK? The Commonwelath was able to have those, too.

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Why should we commemorate 'memorial day'? The Axis never invaded Britain for one, The United States were in Britain in late 1943 to help us and the Canadians liberate France.


The Blitz.

The Axis invaded plenty of the British Empire.

I'm sure the Americans were just 'helpers.' Laughing

The Americans surely reduced the damages of the Axis to the British significantly.

I'm not saying you should commemorate Memorial Day. I'm saying thinking that Koreans should observe your day (2 minutes, whatever you want to call it) is equally ridiculous.

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Two - you made much money out of our defence against Hitler which was fully paid back in 2006


link?
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three - where is your gratitude of British soldiers who have lost lives fighting American wars for the past 65 years - including the wars we are fighting today in Afghanistan and Iraq?


What American wars? 65 years? I can only think of Iraq and Afghanistan as American wars (as in wars that can be considered American) in which the British have been involved. (and that's not even discussing the fact that Al-Qaida has directly targeted the UK)

Who's to say I don't have gratitude? In fact, I've expressed it on numerous occasions.
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Hindsight



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw stats that showed Turkey having the highest casualty rate, per capita.

Here are some lists:

http://www.centurychina.com/history/krwarcost.html

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/casualty.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

There were about 2.1 million Americans serving in the military within Korea during the Korean War, or more than 1 percent of the entire U.S. population, and who knows what percentage of the adult male population.

The effect of the war on families in America can sometimes still be felt today. And if you have ever seen a list of dead on a local Korean War memorial back home, the number of names is shocking and tragic. Can you imagine being a young man dying on Korean soil thousands of miles from home? Some of them weren't so young; many had already served in combat in World War II, going from battlefield to battlefield. Finally, they begin to establish a normal life, and they are called back into service, being pulled from jobs, homes, families.

Ordinarily, one would also honor the dead among the former enemy. However, given that the war has never actually ended, they are not the former enemy. When is this madness going to end?

There are some old Koreans who are grateful for what the U.N. forces did for their country. Most adult Koreans don't have the faintest idea how many foreigners fought for Korea. Many young Koreans don't even know what decade the war took place in.

I don't know if you can change this. But you can preserve the memory of those who died. If you are an American, you can look at the list of war dead from your state:

http://www.archives.gov/research/korean-war/casualty-lists/state-level-alpha.html

Maybe you will find a name you recognize.
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Pink Freud



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is spelled "Remembrance Day".
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer wrote:
(because it is not even a holiday in the commonwealth you fool Rolling Eyes )


It is in parts of Canada, by the way.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember and recognize the bravery, fortitude and sacrifice made by all those who fought against fascism in the 20th century.

We especially owe anyone who fought or resisted the fascists during WWII a huge debt.

As far as I'm concerned, they saved the world.........and I thought only Superman could do that!!
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pink Freud wrote:
It is spelled "Remembrance Day".


Nobody cares
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illvibetip



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Location: south korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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take a rest



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, I really hope that the people posting in this thread have never ever complained about Korean nationalism.
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