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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| nathanrutledge wrote: |
Okay, here is a more clear cut answer.
You are Korean, so you can come here on an F visa. Good for you.
You are American, so you can teach English.
You have an arson (conviction?) charge in your background. The nanosecond someone at a hagwon/school finds out, you are Johnny Applepie all the way and the rest of us take it in the shorts because of it.
I have no problem with people who have committed crimes in the past. I have no problem with you. But I don't want you coming and teaching in Korea because WHEN (not if) someone finds out that you are, in fact, a felon, it makes the xenophobic roar that much louder. |
...so how are people gonna find out? I don't think that is possible unless he tells them. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| nathanrutledge wrote: |
Okay, here is a more clear cut answer.
You are Korean, so you can come here on an F visa. Good for you.
You are American, so you can teach English.
You have an arson (conviction?) charge in your background. The nanosecond someone at a hagwon/school finds out, you are Johnny Applepie all the way and the rest of us take it in the shorts because of it.
I have no problem with people who have committed crimes in the past. I have no problem with you. But I don't want you coming and teaching in Korea because WHEN (not if) someone finds out that you are, in fact, a felon, it makes the xenophobic roar that much louder. |
...so how are people gonna find out? I don't think that is possible unless he tells them. |
Maybe after a few to many Sojus he'll start fire to something  (I know bad taste, I'm sorry) just couldn't resist
No doubt the OP is aware that arson is considered as a precurser to more serious offending.
I've worked with convicted teenage pyromaniacs, 3/4's of them have gone on to do time in Adult jails, some of them for some pretty weird/kinky stuff.
Anyway Op, why not do something else in Korea apart from teaching children, theres heaps of options out there..... Good luck to you in your future by the way! |
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murmanjake
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| nathanrutledge wrote: |
Okay, here is a more clear cut answer.
You are Korean, so you can come here on an F visa. Good for you.
You are American, so you can teach English.
You have an arson (conviction?) charge in your background. The nanosecond someone at a hagwon/school finds out, you are Johnny Applepie all the way and the rest of us take it in the shorts because of it.
I have no problem with people who have committed crimes in the past. I have no problem with you. But I don't want you coming and teaching in Korea because WHEN (not if) someone finds out that you are, in fact, a felon, it makes the xenophobic roar that much louder. |
...so how are people gonna find out? I don't think that is possible unless he tells them. |
Well hypothetically lets say,
he commits a crime in Korea, and then someone looks into his background, and the newspapers pick it up and it becomes a sensationalized account of yet another FOREIGN TEACHER in Korea with a criminal background, and then immigration reacts to the public outcry by instituting another series of poorly-planned immigration reforms that somehow still don't account for possible CONVICTED FELONS TEACHING with F2 and F4 visas.
Not that anything similar happened recently with a wanted korean american murderer or anything....
Not accusing the OP here of anything but possibly being a troll.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| nathanrutledge wrote: |
Okay, here is a more clear cut answer.
You are Korean, so you can come here on an F visa. Good for you.
You are American, so you can teach English.
You have an arson (conviction?) charge in your background. The nanosecond someone at a hagwon/school finds out, you are Johnny Applepie all the way and the rest of us take it in the shorts because of it.
I have no problem with people who have committed crimes in the past. I have no problem with you. But I don't want you coming and teaching in Korea because WHEN (not if) someone finds out that you are, in fact, a felon, it makes the xenophobic roar that much louder. |
...so how are people gonna find out? I don't think that is possible unless he tells them. |
Several English teachers have been found out one way or another over the years. It's harder then you might think. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| TUM: I think you mean it's easier than you might think. |
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sentinel863
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| murmanjake wrote: |
Not accusing the OP here of anything but possibly being a troll. |
Let me start off by saying thanks to everyone for their input. I really appreciate it.
Also I am not a troll. I came here with intentions of seeing how I could make things work out and trying to make the best out of my current situation. I understand how everyone feels about this but take the time to meet me and I'm just like any other 23 year old out there. I paid the consequences, i learned from my experiences, and now I just want to move on. |
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Xylox
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| murmanjake wrote: |
Not accusing the OP here of anything but possibly being a troll. |
Let me start off by saying thanks to everyone for their input. I really appreciate it.
Also I am not a troll. I came here with intentions of seeing how I could make things work out and trying to make the best out of my current situation. I understand how everyone feels about this but take the time to meet me and I'm just like any other 23 year old out there who sets fire to people and/or things. I paid the consequences, i learned from my experiences, and now I just want to move on. |
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sentinel863
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Xylox wrote: |
| sentinel863 wrote: |
| murmanjake wrote: |
Not accusing the OP here of anything but possibly being a troll. |
Let me start off by saying thanks to everyone for their input. I really appreciate it.
Also I am not a troll. I came here with intentions of seeing how I could make things work out and trying to make the best out of my current situation. I understand how everyone feels about this but take the time to meet me and I'm just like any other 23 year old out there who sets fire to people and/or things. I paid the consequences, i learned from my experiences, and now I just want to move on. |
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cool bro
you def just gained some e-respect. props to u bro, that was funny and clever |
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jzrossef
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching in Korea with a criminal background |
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| sentinel863 wrote: |
Hi
Im new to these forums and I guess ill start by introducing myself. Im a 23 year old Korean American born and raised in America. I never really had any interest in the Korean culture up until a few months ago when i visited the motherland. I had a great time and realized it would be a blast if I could teach English there. For me, its not so much about the pay but about the atmosphere/environment.
Anyway... I have an associates degree and plan on going back to school for my bachelors - but before I can do anything I am trying to figure out if I can teach English in Korea with a criminal record?? Apparently Korea is strict with this and now teachers have to get background checks??
Obviously the past is behind me and it would be great if I were still able to teach in Korea. For those of you who are curious as to what I did, lets just say it wont be expunged for the rest of my life.
TIA!! Looking forward to the responses |
Bottom line:
It will be entirely dependent on what visa class you need to apply for.
You have NO chance of getting an E2 visa because of your past AN D your lack of a BA/B.Sc.
IF you can get an F4 (Korean ancestry) then your criminal record will be irrelevant for your visa application and most hagwans won't ask or care. Same with your lack of degree.
You won't be able to get a job in a public school (they will check for your CRC and degree).
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Well said. Koreans are very image-conscious people. I guess it depends on what your Korean background, entinel863, but Koreans hiring teachers have gone through bizarre cases that teachers here complain a lot about. Some teachers may bail and run away from contract. Some may never put any effort or get involved with the institution. Some may be victimized by the teachers� reputation that goes against Korean trend� it�s a risky investment. That�s why Koreans require you to have a degree (most university/college graduates are at least above the average when it comes to discipline, intelligence, and whatnot� not always, but in average) You may not have a serious criminal record, but from their perspective when they see your record� they may have different ideas about that. They may not speak very good English, and they won�t bother trying to figure out the severity of your criminal offence. Criminal offence is taken seriously in Asian countries, where people are suspicious and often paranoid about one another in already competitive society where government lies, criminals, and other shocking news are often the headlights in typical Korean media.
Good thing is that your F4 Visa doesn�t ask for your criminal record� and if you have good command of Korean to be able to skilfully persuade or explain the severity of the crime in the record� you might be able to get away with it. The more prestigious the job you go after, the more ifs and setbacks are to be expected. It�s what you make of it, really.
I suggest that you surf around the forum a bit before asking questions. There�s a wealth of info around here, and it really gives you a big picture regarding what to expect there� some posts specifically deals with scenarios from gyopo� perspective. (Gyopo means Korean overseas� I heard of dongpo in some Korean history books, but the point is there)
Good luck. Don�t forget to share some of your experience once you get there. I�m a Canadian with Korean background, so I�m on the similar boat as you are to put it bluntly. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| How criminal of a record are we are we talking here? Recently they've been pretty strict on first degree murder but anything minor like 3rd degree manslaughter they'll let you in. |
nah not murder
arson is my main charge |
You can't get an arson conviction expunged after 7 years? Not sure about that. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:49 am Post subject: |
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I have no problem with you either, OP, but I also don't want you teaching here.
It's not that you have a history as an arsonist, but it's more because you know you should not be doing it, and you are using your Korean blood as a loophole.
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| sentinel863 wrote: |
| J Rock wrote: |
| How criminal of a record are we are we talking here? Recently they've been pretty strict on first degree murder but anything minor like 3rd degree manslaughter they'll let you in. |
nah not murder
arson is my main charge |
You can't get an arson conviction expunged after 7 years? Not sure about that. |
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sentinel863
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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@jzrossef - thanks for the input. Yeah i plan on getting a bachelors before making any moves. It gives me time to really think about this whole situation. I appreciate the input.
@youngclinton - nope. they dropped the other charges that tagged along after completing a parole-like program but did remind me that the arson charge will never be expunged.
@boholdriver - understandable but quite frankly, your opinion as well as everyone elses in this forum holds no value to me. I made this thread for information regarding my situation. Not to hear you or the others complain about how they can't stand the thought of an arsonist teaching english in korea  |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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If you've been convicted of a felony, the US government (and pretty sure Canadian too) won't even issue you a passport.
That'll end your trip real quick. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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If you've been convicted of a felony, the US government (and pretty sure Canadian too) won't even issue you a passport.
That'll end your trip real quick. |
Sure they will as long as you have:
a) no outstanding warrants for your arrest and
b) are not restricted by parole or probation constraints
c) and there is not a court order "not to travel".
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I briefly worked with a Gyopo in Korea who was so mentally unscrewed that her class students mutinied and refused to attend until she was replaced. 
I've met my fair share of criminally minded, no college degree, degenerate gyopos here....
Sounds like you'll fit right in! |
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