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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| desultude wrote: |
I get paid 2,400,000 per month, And I have housing, airfare, and severance. In addition, I have 5 months paid vacation, during which I teach 3 weeks camp, twice, for an additional 2 month's wages- that makes 14 months wages, with 3.5 months off. Right now I am teaching overtime for an additional 1,000,000 per month, for two months. Now I am at 35,600,000, (I believe- I teach English, not math  ), not counting pension and severance and the value of the housing.
I know people who make more, but I'm not complaining. I know that after I finish this overtime gig and am back to 18 hours a week, I will be looking for worthwhile things to fill my free time. Even if I count prep and correcting- equal to classroom time, I still have a lot of free time.
My only regret? I want to live in or close to Seoul. Can't have everything. . . |
ok I will just have to guess
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The average monthly wage for those on a company payroll was a little more than W1.5 million in 2002, that's slightly more than the previous year's W1.39 million |
From the beavers article... and I don't think these employees get a house included in thier salary or a housing allowance.
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| what I said about Korean universites is right. Including the big ones which you think are so good. |
No you are not right, your information is coming from the minority of teachers working at these establishments who are also negative.
I had dinner with a teacher from Ewha yesterday and she said that she is happy with her job. |
I guess your figures include the ajuma who watchs you at the hospital for 2000 won per hour.
for better prospective on things look at this articles
I got it from RR
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004022038228
How do you know the teachers are just being negative? Maybe they have some good reason to feel that way?
If these jobs lasted then why is it that the majority of schools have hogwonized |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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It's not a better look. It's about the same.
| Joo Jip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| How do you know the teachers are just being negative? Maybe they have some good reason to feel that way? |
Aside from you, what teachers?
| Joo Jip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| If these jobs lasted then why is it that the majority of schools have hogwonized |
Link? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| survey showed that the average annual salary of newly employed university graduates this year is 24.72 |
that is perspective.
Well this is Korea and you and Superhero might be the types to use personal information against someone.
Link there is no link for such a thing but the majority of schools have hogwonized.
Tell me more than 20 schools that haven't?
and schools like Korean university Jo Chi won which haven't hogwonzied clean out there staff every few years. All of sudden and without warning.
So even if they haven't hogwonized most of them have serious flaws.
futhermore just tell me on your salary how long it would take you to save up to get an apartment and a mid sized car?
Lots of Koreans have them , why is it that you have no hope for them?
You and Superhero are just apologists for Korean universites, and the funny thing is that by not holding a light to Korean universites you actually encourage them to do bad things. Because they don't undo bad stuff unless they get shamed for it.
enjoy what you have, but remember the day of the culling is coming. And you made it easier for them to do it by making infomericals. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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| survey showed that the average annual salary of newly employed university graduates this year is 24.72 |
futhermore just tell me on your salary how long it would take you to save up to get an apartment and a mid sized car?
Lots of Koreans have them , why is it that you have no hope for them?
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Actually I have a four-door sedan fully paid for and a 24 pyoung apartment that I put down the key deposit and do not pay monthly rent. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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new?
You don't own that apartment do you now? |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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What you can find out at the Ministry of Education and Human Resources Development ( http://www.moe.go.kr/en/board/board_list.htm?pc=help&tn=engmoebbs2002&db=bbs13_10&catmenu=e05_01 )
Question: What is the monthly salary for a Visiting Professor of English at good universities in Korea?
-- Post number: 138 and Date of Post: 2002-07-07 --
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We don't have a general salary range or scale for a visiting professor. Monthly salary for visiting professor is different from college to college because working conditions of them are set up by the contract between an unversity and an visiting professor. If you need the salary scale of a particular university, you should contact to the university.
Date of reply: 2004-02-02
http://www.moe.go.kr/en/board/board_view.htm?id=220&pc=help&tn=engmoebbs2002&db=bbs13_10&catmenu=e05&page=9&maxrow=10
PLEASE CONTACT your university and inquire about the salary range for visiting professors. Perhaps, it is even on the Internet.
For example, the following salary information about university professors can be found on the Internet. (What about Korea?)
University of Oxford (England)
http://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/salaries/scales/ga0_cur.shtml
Association of University Teachers
The current agreed salary scales for members of staff represented by the AUT in higher education institutions throughout England, Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland.
http://www.aut.org.uk/media/html/he2000_02-031.html
Revised for 2004
http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/payproposals_march2004.pdf
Faculty Salary Comparison Study (Canada)
http://ia.usask.ca/faculty_salary_comp/Fac_Comp.pdf
Professor Salary Comparison with US Public Universities
U of Alberta Professors vs. US Public University Professors
http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/strategic/nav03.cfm?nav03=17157&nav02=17146&nav01=17123
Helsinki University of Technology (Finland)
http://www.hut.fi/Yksikot/Opintotoimisto/toimikunnat/vierprofengl.html
City University of Hong Kong
Lecterer (lowest monthly salary)
33,765 Hong Kong Dollars (or 5,003,440 Korean Won)
http://www.cityu.edu.hk/hro/job/job-test/details/guideline/General%20Guideline%20for%20Appointment.pdf
Public Universities (Kenya)
71,060 Kenya Shillings (or 1,057,065 Korean won/month)
http://allafrica.com/stories/200402240130.html
There is the Asiaweek information.
A professor in Korea has a salary of 5,511 US dollars/month (or 6,365,734 won/month).
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/salaries/2000/popups/content/skor.html |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
new?
You don't own that apartment do you now? |
four years old. I could own it if I chose to, but I would rather do key money as it is easier to move out of the country if I want to. But the amount of money that I have put into my apartment is enough to buy me a mid-sized house in the greater vancouver area. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| look I am not begruding your success Green Lantern, lets just hope it continues. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| four years old. I could own it if I chose to, but I would rather do key money as it is easier to move out of the country if I want to. But the amount of money that I have put into my apartment is enough to buy me a mid-sized house in the greater vancouver area. |
You put down a deposit of 300,000,000-500,000,000 Won on a 24-pyong apartment? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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JRGR, you've got grit. Or a bee up your ass or something.
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Link there is no link for such a thing but the majority of schools have hogwonized.
Tell me more than 20 schools that haven't? |
There's no link? Well damn, if there's no link for universities having changed do you really think there'll be a link for universities having stayed the same?
I can see it now:
| Dippity Doo Da Press -- Seoul wrote: |
| There has been absolutely no change in the nation's university English programs this past year. There was a rumor that Seoul National was going to stock toilet paper for their teachers. . . |
*beep* man, where the hell would I find a link telling me which universities have stayed the same? Thinking about the universities where people I know teach I'll tell you that the changes are nothing much beyond what any place would change over time.
| Joo Jip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| and schools like Korean university Jo Chi won which haven't hogwonzied clean out there staff every few years. All of sudden and without warning. |
Nice link. Not that it doesn't happen, but of the hundreds of universities in Korea you've given me one example and extrapolated loads. Hence, when you say:
| Joo Jip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| So even if they haven't hogwonized most of them have serious flaws. |
I have to object to 'most.' Most English university programs I know have flaws, true, but they're related to curriculuum and program design.
| Joo Jip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| You and Superhero are just apologists for Korean universites, and the funny thing is that by not holding a light to Korean universites you actually encourage them to do bad things. Because they don't undo bad stuff unless they get shamed for it. |
I'm an apologist? Sorry. . .
But, enlighten me, what have I apologized for?
| Joo Jip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| enjoy what you have, but remember the day of the culling is coming. |
Thank you Anda. Should I be on the watch for the Four Directors of the Apoplexy?
| Joo Jip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| And you made it easier for them to do it by making infomericals. |
Shame on me for enjoying my job at my university and my friends enjoying their jobs at their universities. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
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| four years old. I could own it if I chose to, but I would rather do key money as it is easier to move out of the country if I want to. But the amount of money that I have put into my apartment is enough to buy me a mid-sized house in the greater vancouver area. |
You put down a deposit of 300,000,000-500,000,000 Won on a 24-pyong apartment? |
Not that much, perhaps when i said greater vancouver area I should have been more specific and meant on the fringes. anyhow if a mid-sized house is that expensive then I may have to downgrade and buy a small house, but I'm living in downtown seoul not vancouver so I guess it doesn't really matter does it.
| JRGR wrote: |
| look I am not begruding your success Green Lantern, lets just hope it continues. |
So universities are not as bad as you make them out to be after all, right son. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| So universities are not as bad as you make them out to be after all, right son. |
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most of them are . And at universties usually things can go bad in a hurry and often they do. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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So universities are not as bad as you make them out to be after all, right son. |
I'd think it depends. Like there are some GREAT hakwons, there are also CRAP hakwons. The same applies to everything. There are GREAT university gigs and horrible ones.
I'd think for a 24 pyung apt in Seoul, you probably put 120-150mil as key money. That CAN buy you a medium size home in the Greater Vancouver area.
I think people should also note there is a difference to those who SAVE cash, and those who drink/travel away all their cash.
Most jobs are paying around the same amounts...it is just HOW much you work to get that money that seems the big factor. |
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