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jzrossef
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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| sentinel863 wrote: |
@jzrossef - thanks for the input. Yeah i plan on getting a bachelors before making any moves. It gives me time to really think about this whole situation. I appreciate the input.
@youngclinton - nope. they dropped the other charges that tagged along after completing a parole-like program but did remind me that the arson charge will never be expunged.
@boholdriver - understandable but quite frankly, your opinion as well as everyone elses in this forum holds no value to me. I made this thread for information regarding my situation. Not to hear you or the others complain about how they can't stand the thought of an arsonist teaching english in korea  |
Glad to hear it. Ignore the comments that are uncalled for, and make sure you always double check in more serious questions like visa.
BTW, you are not obligated to answer all the bashing posts you get with your personal questions. Idiots are never endangered species, and you'll make a poorer image of yourself and your time. Get what you need, and move on. Maturity, intelligence, responsibility, and goodwill are social values that are all understood and respected in all societies, and there will be others that will think otherwise wherever you go. There will be always irresponsible idiots that makes hagwon business shady, just as how we had so many incompetent real estate associates, ponzi scammers... even the corporations like AIG and Golden Sachs in the West. Korea is no different. Korean Job Discussion Forums is no different. The developed nations in the West are no different. It's all about how to make the most of what you have. The players change, the game table shifts a little, but the rules are still the same.
My 2cents. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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If you've been convicted of a felony, the US government (and pretty sure Canadian too) won't even issue you a passport.
That'll end your trip real quick. |
Sure they will as long as you have:
a) no outstanding warrants for your arrest and
b) are not restricted by parole or probation constraints
c) and there is not a court order "not to travel".
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I stand corrected. Although apparently there are some felonies that will prevent issuance, arson isn't on the list.
It does look like you may be asked if you've ever been convicted of a felony, if you apply for a work visa, and I'm assuming an F4. I guess how you answer would be the real issue. |
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computermichael
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Anyang
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You should check out Namdaemun if it's rebuilt before you leave.
Anyway, I don't think arson is always that bad. You deserve a second chance while you're still young. I liked playing with fire when I was a kid because it was cool. I can imagine circumstances where I could have been tried for arson, but I never had any malice in my heart. I always like reading people's crime stories. Would you mind sharing yours? It's just the internet; what you say won't really affect anything, so please regale me. |
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thegreg52
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Location: Seoul, Korea
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How old were you when you committed the arson?
Frankly I have no information on the subject. I've heard that F visas don't ask for criminal records, but a friend of mine who works here under an E2 visa currently is switching to an F visa for next year (he's half Korean) and said that they didn't "officially" ask him about his criminal past but it came up in the application process. He was fine because he has an E2 now, but I don't if everyone gets asked or not.
Good luck to you. We all make mistakes in our petty pasts. |
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TexasChicken
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sentinel863
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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jzrossef- yeah their comments dont phase me at all.. half of them are bandwagoners who just want to post anyway. Thanks for the response though
Netz - im allowed to travel. I just came back from Korea recently.
computermichael - Id rather not discuss my background in this thread. Nothing personal, I just dont want to deal with the trolls. Its really nothing serious though. Things got out of hand,, the public took it in a really bad way and we got punished.
thegreg- I was 17. yeah it was a mistake and now the consequences are beginning to show lol |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching in Korea with a criminal background |
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Hi
Im new to these forums and I guess ill start by introducing myself. Im a 23 year old Korean American born and raised in America. I never really had any interest in the Korean culture up until a few months ago when i visited the motherland. I had a great time and realized it would be a blast if I could teach English there. For me, its not so much about the pay but about the atmosphere/environment.
Anyway... I have an associates degree and plan on going back to school for my bachelors - but before I can do anything I am trying to figure out if I can teach English in Korea with a criminal record?? Apparently Korea is strict with this and now teachers have to get background checks??
Obviously the past is behind me and it would be great if I were still able to teach in Korea. For those of you who are curious as to what I did, lets just say it wont be expunged for the rest of my life.
TIA!! Looking forward to the responses |
Bottom line:
It will be entirely dependent on what visa class you need to apply for.
You have NO chance of getting an E2 visa because of your past AN D your lack of a BA/B.Sc.
IF you can get an F4 (Korean ancestry) then your criminal record will be irrelevant for your visa application and most hagwans won't ask or care. Same with your lack of degree.
You won't be able to get a job in a public school (they will check for your CRC and degree).
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I don't know arson's pretty serious. If word gets out, (Which usually happens in Korea) even a whisper of a rumor. Being Korean won't protect him. The hagwon will drop him in a instant and spread the word. (Koreans are extremely sensitive about image) Doesn't help he only has an A.A.
OP is this in your juvenile record or adult? If it's juvenile, you've got a few more options. Some states seal / expunge it when you turn 18. Others just seal but don't expunge it when you turn 18. And some show everything no matter what. Sealed records may or may not show up on a FBI check. You have to call your D.A. to get details and if your records aren't sealed you need to a lawyer and see if you can get it. But with arson your chances are pretty slim.
With an F-4, you can teach privates. No need to go through an institute. It'll be a lot harder to find people but, if your fluent in Korean you shouldn't have a problem. |
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sentinel863
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Teaching in Korea with a criminal background |
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I don't know arson's pretty serious. If word gets out, (Which usually happens in Korea) even a whisper of a rumor. Being Korean won't protect him. The hagwon will drop him in a instant and spread the word. (Koreans are extremely sensitive about image) Doesn't help he only has an A.A.
OP is this in your juvenile record or adult? If it's juvenile, you've got a few more options. Some states seal / expunge it when you turn 18. Others just seal but don't expunge it when you turn 18. And some show everything no matter what. Sealed records may or may not show up on a FBI check. You have to call your D.A. to get details and if your records aren't sealed you need to a lawyer and see if you can get it. But with arson your chances are pretty slim.
With an F-4, you can teach privates. No need to go through an institute. It'll be a lot harder to find people but, if your fluent in Korean you shouldn't have a problem. |
Yeah arson is pretty serious. I was tried as an adult. Would teaching privates go through the same process as teaching in an institute? My father also lives in Korea so I can always turn to him for help. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching in Korea with a criminal background |
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Yeah arson is pretty serious. I was tried as an adult. Would teaching privates go through the same process as teaching in an institute? My father also lives in Korea so I can always turn to him for help. |
If you were tried as an adult.... That's really bad. I don't know how old you are. But if you've had at least 5 years since then with a clean record, you can get a lawyer and petition the D.A. / judge to get your records sealed.
No privates are just tutoring. They can either come to you or you can go to them and charge a slight premium for the trouble. You should really talk to your dad and other people that do privates what the going rate is.
Generally speaking, the smaller the size, the more you can charge. I don't teach privates myself even though I have an F-4 (Public schools don't let you) Please don't quote me on this, I think it's 100,000 - 150,000 for 3, 1-2 hour home visits for a 1 on 1 with a native speaker in a week (Assuming it's only 30 minutes away). And add an extra 50,000 if your fluent in Korean and probably another 50,000 if your teaching TOEIC / TOEFL kind of stuff. Though there is a lot of negotiation.
One of the reasons going to an institute is better is cause you have references. So when you move some place else you'll get paid more for experience. Tutoring almost never counts. (Might help you get a competitive teaching job. But won't give a pay upgrade) And lots of people look down on tutoring (Including me). Because you can get away with crap lessons and ripping off desperate parents. I'm not saying your gonna do it but, just throwing it out there.
And unless your living with a relative that can help subsidize you. It's gonna be hard to get by on just tutoring. Especially if your goal is to just have fun in Korea and see the country (Like you mentioned) To make about the same as a starting teacher, (Which gives enough to do what you mentioned) and cover your living expenses with rent, you'd have to do somewhere between 30-40 classes a week. |
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Mariella713
Joined: 22 May 2010
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I met a British guy back in 2008 - he told me he had recieved a reprimand for shop lifting that showed up on his criminal record check and he still managed to get a job teaching in Korea. If you have anything drug or assult related you have no chance. But apparently people have been given jobs with things like trespassing and a DUI on their record.
I honestly cannot tell if they're that strict on criminal record checks or not, because of this.  |
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eb
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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What state were you convicted in? I*think crimnal records are only
subjective by the individual state you were arrested in. EB |
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napoleonspidgin
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What state were you convicted in? I*think crimnal records are only
subjective by the individual state you were arrested in. EB |
Nope. The FBI's NCIC or what's commonly referred to as your "rap sheet" contains any arrest information reported from law enforcement agencies. I think it's a safe bet that any law enforcement agency would report an arson to the FBI but it doesn't hurt to try anyway. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching in Korea with a criminal background |
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Hi
Im new to these forums and I guess ill start by introducing myself. Im a 23 year old Korean American born and raised in America.
Anyway... I have an associates degree and plan on going back to school for my bachelors - but before I can do anything I am trying to figure out if I can teach English in Korea with a criminal record?? Apparently Korea is strict with this and now teachers have to get background checks??
TIA!! Looking forward to the responses |
Do not pass go, do not collect $$$, stay home! Don't you already know that there aren't any teachers teaching in S. Korea with a criminal record? |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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But our opinions hold no value to him.
But maybe if he doesn't like your opinion.......make sure your apartment has an evacuation plan!!!
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I briefly worked with a Gyopo in Korea who was so mentally unscrewed that her class students mutinied and refused to attend until she was replaced. 
I've met my fair share of criminally minded, no college degree, degenerate gyopos here....
Sounds like you'll fit right in! |
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