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jangma



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Very confused Reply with quote

I am an 18 year girl in Scotland.

I'm a current Photography student (and I finish in 2012) and I'd like to go into teaching in Korea but I don't know what grades I'd need and what course to do in college or university. I left school at 16 to do Photography and Fashion in college, but recently my heart yearns for English Teaching in foreign countries.

If anybody in the UK can help me or guide me to what universities and what courses (Do I do English or Teaching?) would best suit someone just starting out from spending years doing another thing?

I've searched and searched but I end up getting lost.
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

any Bachelors degree in any subject is sufficient. It does not have to be in teaching/English language/literature.

The same pretty much goes for grades too....as long as you have a pulse and a BA/BSc then you`re good to go.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U will probably have to wait for some of the americans to leave Korea before positions begin to open up for Scots. Koreans love americans I'm afraid.. Rolling Eyes
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jangma



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what a BA or BSc is. :S
As far as I'm aware Scotland has a completely different way or names for those things. hah.

@Junior:
All the Koreans I've met seem more interested to talk to me than my American friends because I am from Scotland.
Asking if I have an accent mostly haha
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Chris.Quigley



Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a four year degree (or just a degree) in any subject and a pulse. In addition to that you might want to get a 100+ hour TESL certificate. This certificate will increase your employability and your income if you work for a public school in Korea. Some countries require a CELTA.

Sadly, race, age, appearance and nationality are also important factors in whether or not you get hired. (In that order)

If you want to teach in China, the standards are lower. But, having never worked there, I don't know exactly how low they are.

All in all, you are likely looking at 3-4 years of education before you can go abroad. But you are still young!
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jangma



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, just a degree is alll I need from Uni? That doesn't sound too bad considering my Photography course is 2 years in college then 2 years in uni for a degree.
My friend already suggested to me getting a 100+ hour TESL certificate, so I will certainly get that too.

Yeah, I heard especially about the age. If it true people over the age of 30/40 get employed less? I really want to teach in foreign countries until I'm old. haha.

My friend teaches in China right now. She said the kids are very fun to work with. I'd love to try Korea first (as I am learning Korean I feel I will have a slightly easier time finding my way around) which is why I posted in here.

If I don't leave Photography in 2012 to do a different course, I definitely have 4 more years (I wasted my time in fashion or I'd be in university next year) or so before I can have a solid plan.

But I am young, and I like to plan ahead about my future. I was stuck between teaching or photography, but after lurking here all summer I feel I have made the right choice in choosing teaching.

edit:
Thanks for all the information :)
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jangma wrote:
I don't know what a BA or BSc is. :S
As far as I'm aware Scotland has a completely different way or names for those things. hah.

@Junior:
All the Koreans I've met seem more interested to talk to me than my American friends because I am from Scotland.
Asking if I have an accent mostly haha


No, Scotland still calls a degree a degree.

BA - Bachelor of Arts.
BSc. = Bachelor of Science.

At Scottish universities, undergraduate degrees are differentiated as either Designated Degrees or Honours Degrees.

An Honours degree, BA (Hons), (awarded as an MA (Hons) by some universities) for arts and social sciences, or BSc (Hons) for sciences, is awarded for students who have completed four years at university � two years at sub-honours level, studying a variety of different subjects, and two years at honours level studying one subject in depth (sometimes the third and fourth years are divided into junior honours and senior honours and in other cases the final year is called the honours year, usually including a dissertation in the final year. Honours degrees are further subdivided in classes. These are first class, upper second class (2:1), lower second class (2:2) and third class.

A designated degree (BA, MA or BSc) is awarded to students who have completed three years at university studying a variety of related subjects. The first two years, sometimes three, of both a Designated Degree and an Honours Degree are identical, but, candidates for the Designated Degree study in less depth in their final year and often over a wider variety of subjects.

Candidates for the Designated Degree do not usually complete a dissertation. A Scottish Designated Degree is different from an English Pass Degree even though both are denoted BSc Bachelor of Science and are often referred to as an "Ordinary Degree".

In keeping with the Scottish "broad education" philosophy, ordinary degrees (and more rarely honours ones) may mix different disciplines such as sciences and humanities taught in different faculties and in some cases even different universities (e.g. a Dundee University degree could have included St Andrews courses).

Fraid you have about 3-4 years of school in front of you before you make it to Korea as a teacher.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry OP. Your photography skills will serve you well in Asia. It's an unbelievable place to practice your hobby (or passion).

Stay in school. Get a degree. And then think about coming to teach TEFL. TEFL isn't a career (as such), and when the novelty wears off, we all have to go home (or somewhere else) to get employment. That's when your degree will come in handy.

Good luck Scottie.
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Geumchondave



Joined: 28 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you might have some difficulty with your visas if you do a 2 year degree - I did a 3 year which is the standard for English Universities, because we dont have that mixed subject year like the US and everyone seemed to think that it wasnt a real degree and took a little while to explain that a 3 year course was a valid BA hons degree - so you might need to look into what degrees they will except but if it is a BA hons or a BSc you should be excepted regardless of how long the course is.

As regards Koreans loving americans and scotts not finding jobs im going to have to disagree with that - Everyone at my school loves the british accent and I have no trouble finding work out here - from what Ive heard schools like to keep things varied and will normally hire and american for a few years then a south african for a few years etc etc - and given that there arent that many UK residents out here your accent is probably a rare commodity
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jangma



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean the name degree, I meant BA and BSc names. haha. I don't ever hear people with degree's here say that.

I think I understand a lot more now.
My college offers a 2+2 on the course I do right now (photography) which is two years in college and after that you go straight into the third year in that field in University.
Not to mention my college and university are a mere 10 minute walk away from each other. It's probably the only reason I still live in the North-East.

I'm glad I have 4 or so years left to prepare myself. I'm still rather young and all that.

I really can't thank the people on the forum enough. I've reinforced my life plan for the future after reading a lot of threads here and getting nice replies here. :)

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@Geumchondave
hmm, I'll definitely check it all out after my classes tomorrow. Or I'll ask my friend who is in China right now teaching :S
Also I find it sad that my Scottish accent is weak due to being in an area where our accent is weak. :'(
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TEFL isn't a career (as such),


TEFL is a career for a lot of people so just in case you decide to join that group, I'd advise against getting some cheap online TEFL cert at an early stage. Borrow the money if you have to and do the CELTA. Even if you decide to go back to the UK and pursue a different career later, there may be times when you want to do some part time TEFL or temporary work while you're trying to get another job and you'll need the CELTA then. The likelihood is you'll make more money from the CELTA than you will from a photography degree.
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wiganer



Joined: 13 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: Very confused Reply with quote

jangma wrote:
I am an 18 year girl in Scotland.

I'm a current Photography student (and I finish in 2012) and I'd like to go into teaching in Korea but I don't know what grades I'd need and what course to do in college or university. I left school at 16 to do Photography and Fashion in college, but recently my heart yearns for English Teaching in foreign countries.

If anybody in the UK can help me or guide me to what universities and what courses (Do I do English or Teaching?) would best suit someone just starting out from spending years doing another thing?

I've searched and searched but I end up getting lost.


Hello,

At this moment in time, the qualifications to teach English in Korea is a degree in any subject - however - I wouldn't do a degree in any subject if teaching English is your aim - The South Korean government could change the criteria at anytime and may ask for B.ed's/M.ed's or holders of a BA/MA TESOL at a later date. (If the hiring frenzy carries on - I think they will implement this)

If you are sure you want to study to teach English as a foreign language then there are many Linguistics/TEFL degrees you can do in the UK. I recommend my old stomping ground of the University of Wales in Swansea, I had a very enjoyable time there. The University of Salford do a lot of joint TESOL degrees with the language of your choice (from Italian to Arabic) but probably the course for you is the 3 year BA degree in Photogrpahy and TESOL! (Who'd have thought?) at the university of Sunderland.

http://search.ucas.com/cgi-bin/hsrun/search/search/StateId/QBV06GnrhKTdfUXWudpGM8LjTJ53--4T7b/HAHTpage/search.HsDetails.run?n=1058787
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you're Scottish, check out the University of Stirling's or Aberdeen's education courses. They both offer a variety of education degrees (QTS) as joint honours with other subjects (admittedly, none are TEFL/TESOL, but you can do QTS as a joint degree with English which might be useful given the preference in some countries for education or English graduates). If you like the idea of lots of debt, by all means go to university in England. Of course, the other route would be finishing your degree in photography then doing a PGCE or CELTA.
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jangma



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer wrote:
jangma wrote:
I am an 18 year girl in Scotland.

I'm a current Photography student (and I finish in 2012) and I'd like to go into teaching in Korea but I don't know what grades I'd need and what course to do in college or university. I left school at 16 to do Photography and Fashion in college, but recently my heart yearns for English Teaching in foreign countries.

If anybody in the UK can help me or guide me to what universities and what courses (Do I do English or Teaching?) would best suit someone just starting out from spending years doing another thing?

I've searched and searched but I end up getting lost.


Hello,

At this moment in time, the qualifications to teach English in Korea is a degree in any subject - however - I wouldn't do a degree in any subject if teaching English is your aim - The South Korean government could change the criteria at anytime and may ask for B.ed's/M.ed's or holders of a BA/MA TESOL at a later date. (If the hiring frenzy carries on - I think they will implement this)

If you are sure you want to study to teach English as a foreign language then there are many Linguistics/TEFL degrees you can do in the UK. I recommend my old stomping ground of the University of Wales in Swansea, I had a very enjoyable time there. The University of Salford do a lot of joint TESOL degrees with the language of your choice (from Italian to Arabic) but probably the course for you is the 3 year BA degree in Photogrpahy and TESOL! (Who'd have thought?) at the university of Sunderland.

http://search.ucas.com/cgi-bin/hsrun/search/search/StateId/QBV06GnrhKTdfUXWudpGM8LjTJ53--4T7b/HAHTpage/search.HsDetails.run?n=1058787

I like the idea of Linguistics and TEFL. You mention from "Italian to Arabic", do they do Chinese and Korean?
I will definately check them both out.

The link says timed out/session ended etc. :(



morrisonhotel wrote:
As you're Scottish, check out the University of Stirling's or Aberdeen's education courses. They both offer a variety of education degrees (QTS) as joint honours with other subjects (admittedly, none are TEFL/TESOL, but you can do QTS as a joint degree with English which might be useful given the preference in some countries for education or English graduates). If you like the idea of lots of debt, by all means go to university in England. Of course, the other route would be finishing your degree in photography then doing a PGCE or CELTA.


I currently live just outside Aberdeen and attend college in Aberdeen, like you said there are none TEFL/TESOL and finding that out today put a little downer on me. I didn't know it was possible to do a joint degree in Aberdeen though! I'd rather do that. A lot of debt doesn't really bother me, as long as I can pay it off eventually from teaching.



sorry for the short reply, I really am grateful for all the information and help.
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wiganer



Joined: 13 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jangma wrote:
I like the idea of Linguistics and TEFL. You mention from "Italian to Arabic", do they do Chinese and Korean?
I will definately check them both out.

The link says timed out/session ended etc. Sad




Yes - at Salford, you can do TESOL with Chinese. If you wanted to study an Asian language - SOAS in London would be a good place to look into. They have BA (Hons) courses in Chinese, Japanese Thai, Indonesian and Korean and you can spend a year in the country of the language you are studying. It is a very good university also. If I had the brains in my skull instead of my arse when I was 18 - I wish I went to SOAS. (School of Oriental and African Studies)

But Chinese and TESOL from Salford is a good, solid degree with a lot of opportunities for you in the future seeing how TESOL is booming allover Asia. (especially China) I also like you attitude about going to the best place to study be damned the cost. If that is England then so be it. Very Happy
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