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UN chief requests that Korea drop HIV tests for E2 holders
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plato's republic



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject: UN chief requests that Korea drop HIV tests for E2 holders Reply with quote

From the Chosun Ilbo:

UN Chief Asks Seoul to Drop HIV Test for Foreign TeachersKorean officials say they have been asked by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to discontinue the practice of testing foreign teachers for the AIDS virus.

Officials in the prime minister's office confirmed Tuesday that Ban made the request when he visited Seoul last week ahead of a G20 economic summit.

Korea, China and the United States all acted earlier this year to lift a ban on visitors carrying HIV. But Korea continues to test foreign teachers, most of whom are native English speakers teaching language classes. Those who test positive can lose their jobs and be forced to leave the country.

Foreign teachers say the practice is discriminatory and contributes to their being stigmatized as drug abusers and sexually promiscuous.


Let's see if anything comes of it. Don't hold your breath.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a blessing that Ban has been able to get experience in international norms ...and bring back some of the brighter ideas to Korea.

Next up lets hope he petitions for E2 holders to be allowed to change jobs without having to change visas.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Its a blessing that Ban has been able to get experience in international norms ...and bring back some of the brighter ideas to Korea.



Oh please.

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Next up lets hope he petitions for E2 holders to be allowed to change jobs without having to change visas.


Now you're onto something.

Who cares if you have to take a HIV test? It takes 30 seconds and if we are as sexually active as we all claim to be its not a bad idea.

I'm not here to be an ambassador, I'm here to make money. The E-2 thing gets in the way of my money (were I on and E-2). Let people switch jobs during the duration of their visa!

This E-2 issue gets way less attention than the HIV one yet is the one that will have more impact on your life.

Tough Love here (and this is a totally stereotyped statement)- If you're thinking the HIV issue is more important than the E-2 movement issue then yes, you are a fresh out of university, naive, debt monkey and this type of thinking is symptomatic of that mindset.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only issue I have with the mandatory HIV test is that we have to pay for it ourselves. That's a little unfair because we have to pay to disprove their misguided prejudice. It should be provided free of charge if it's really that important to them.
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMOE banning corporal punishment. Changes to discriminatory practices against western teachers. Is there a meeting of foreign dignatories in town?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
The only issue I have with the mandatory HIV test is that we have to pay for it ourselves. That's a little unfair because we have to pay to disprove their misguided prejudice. It should be provided free of charge if it's really that important to them.


I agree with this.


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Changes to discriminatory practices against western teachers. Is there a meeting of foreign dignatories in town?


I wonder why the UN only complained about that and not the CBCs.

Oh that's right because the AIDs utopia crowd is in town.

I've said it before and I know it marks me as a "nutball" but I seriously wonder about HIV and conspiracy theories.

Why of all the diseases in the world is HIV the only one that is found to be "wrong" to screen and quarantine people for?

Think about it- if all foreign teachers were screened for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella, would there be any near of the uproar? What is it about HIV that warrants this special treatment?

And why is it wrong to question whether IV Drug users or the foolishly horny are incapable of exercising self-control and perhaps such people should at the very least, have their judgment questioned a little concerning entry into a foreign country(especially IV drug users, people everywhere are foolishly horny- that's life).

But there is already a thread on this so I wonts posts no more.
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geldedgoat



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, I couldn't help but laugh at this. Maybe after a long enough time in Wonderland, you find it ridiculous when the flowers stop talking.

At any rate, that's one irrational, discriminatory policy down; just a few dozen more to go.
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carleverson



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: UN chief requests that Korea drop HIV tests for E2 holde Reply with quote

plato's republic wrote:
From the Chosun Ilbo:

UN Chief Asks Seoul to Drop HIV Test for Foreign TeachersKorean officials say they have been asked by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to discontinue the practice of testing foreign teachers for the AIDS virus.

Officials in the prime minister's office confirmed Tuesday that Ban made the request when he visited Seoul last week ahead of a G20 economic summit.

Korea, China and the United States all acted earlier this year to lift a ban on visitors carrying HIV. But Korea continues to test foreign teachers, most of whom are native English speakers teaching language classes. Those who test positive can lose their jobs and be forced to leave the country.

Foreign teachers say the practice is discriminatory and contributes to their being stigmatized as drug abusers and sexually promiscuous.


Let's see if anything comes of it. Don't hold your breath.



America just recently lifted their ban on AIDS Immigration also.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-6052481-503543.html
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. I think every foreigner who wishes to reside in Korea should be tested for HIV.
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milspecs



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why are some people against being tested for HIV?
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:


At any rate, that's one irrational, discriminatory policy down; just a few dozen more to go.



Don't break out the champagne just yet...they've only been asked. There is no obligation to follow it.
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

milspecs wrote:
why are some people against being tested for HIV?


Because this test is more than a bit insideous. First, Korean teachers are not compulsory tested for HIV. Second, the Korean media tends to portray Western teachers as drunken, drug addicted, sex addicts (who have HIV). Sound irrational. Well that's the message that these tests give.

Plus, the tests are hocus pocus, anyway. Any western teacher who goes to SE Asia in their vacation - and rides bareback - has a good chance of catching aids - and after 3 months - transmitting this to any potential Korean sex partner. NB: There are 5,000 registered AIDS patients in Pattaya alone. There is bound to be many more unregistered sufferers.

In sum, the tests are discriminatory and play to popular negative stereotypes of western teachers - and that's why most of us find these tests offensive.

Good luck.
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allovertheplace



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not that the HIV test is difficult to take...the point is its racist. Racism which is upheld by the state and thus should be illegal. Ok...so you want to work in America as a dishwasher...take an aids test first.

The UN is standing up for whats right. This isnt about getting rid of the hassle of getting tested by rather making it illegal to discriminate. That being said, its also terrible that if you have HIV you will be deported and fired. Homophobia, racism etc. Why should you have a life altering and ending disease, which you may have gotten from non sexual activity, and then get fired because of it. Most people here just complained it was wrong because of having to pay for it etc. Lets start realizing the terrible implications which the tests imply and applaud the UN for there actions.
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milspecs



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most countries have different standards when it comes to allowing foreigners in to their country to work.

And most of them aren't fair, but its standard practice. Sure some countries might not test for AIDS, but when all you need is a Degree, a few background checks and medical tests to work legally in Korea. It seems fairly lax compared to other countries, no?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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First, Korean teachers are not compulsory tested for HIV.


Who cares. So you have to do something someone else does, big deal. You don't have to do stuff they have to do.

Perfect equality in the world is unattainable. We don't complain if discrimination benefits us. The level of inconvenience of this discrimination is minuscule, plus it offers peace of mind.

It's not the end of the world to have to do something someone else doesn't have to do.

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Second, the Korean media tends to portray Western teachers as drunken, drug addicted, sex addicts (who have HIV).


Uh huh.

If they really thought that's who we were they wouldn't be sending their kids to study with us and sit alone with us for an hour.

Compare that with the nonstop English programming in which English Teachers are shown as fun, outgoing individuals who care about children and this "Media Crusade Against the Foreigner" comes off as nonsense.

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Any western teacher who goes to SE Asia in their vacation - and rides bareback - has a good chance of catching aids - and after 3 months - transmitting this to any potential Korean sex partner. NB: There are 5,000 registered AIDS patients in Pattaya alone. There is bound to be many more unregistered sufferers.


Now this is a fair point.

Not just any westerner, but any Korean. And with HIV taking some time to mature to the point of being able to test and well, you've got a problem.

Solution? Any person returning from Thailand should be required to have a HIV test 6 months after return. This would have the double bonus of fighting HIV and discouraging sex tourism.

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