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FDNY
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milspecs
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
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| I don't see why people complain about Korean driving. You just have to drive like you do in any big city. |
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UknowsI
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| milspecs wrote: |
| I don't see why people complain about Korean driving. You just have to drive like you do in any big city. |
Yet the driving in Japan is completely different from the driving in Korea, as can be seen from the statistics. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| UknowsI wrote: |
| milspecs wrote: |
| I don't see why people complain about Korean driving. You just have to drive like you do in any big city. |
Yet the driving in Japan is completely different from the driving in Korea, as can be seen from the statistics. |
Then it's also completely different from city driving in North America. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see the road rage in Korea like you have in America so it is safer, but space is lacking. Korean drivers will even yield to pedestrians trying to cross. They do stop at the last moment in most instances to avoid a costly collision. My only complaint about Korean drivers centers around those who drive motorbikes. The motorbike traffic is dangerous to pedestrians and could prove costly at the bank if you cause one to crash whether on foot or in a car. I wondered if pedestrians are safe from liability claims in the event of getting hit by a motor bike and it crashing. |
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
| I don't see the road rage in Korea like you have in America so it is safer, but space is lacking. Korean drivers will even yield to pedestrians trying to cross. They do stop at the last moment in most instances to avoid a costly collision. My only complaint about Korean drivers centers around those who drive motorbikes. The motorbike traffic is dangerous to pedestrians and could prove costly at the bank if you cause one to crash whether on foot or in a car. I wondered if pedestrians are safe from liability claims in the event of getting hit by a bike and it crashing. |
Nonsense. Koreans don't like to stop for anything or anyone. Koreans pull moves that are super dangerous. They run red lights non stop. They tailgate. My best friend on the road is my horn. I can only imagine India being worse this Korea. |
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hellofaniceguy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Come on now....of course the U.S. will have far more traffic fatalites, fender benders, DUI's, etc...the U.S. has more licensed drivers!
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081127183055AAmVRtW
Over 100 million licensed drivers! vs (I could not find any info on how many licensed drivers in korea)
no matter what anyone says....anyone who has lived AND driven in korea knows how bad k drivers are. Korea touts itself has the best in the world in this and that...yet, driving habits are awful.
But not has bad as India! Or China. |
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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
Come on now....of course the U.S. will have far more traffic fatalites, fender benders, DUI's, etc...the U.S. has more licensed drivers!
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081127183055AAmVRtW
Over 100 million licensed drivers! vs (I could not find any info on how many licensed drivers in korea)
no matter what anyone says....anyone who has lived AND driven in korea knows how bad k drivers are. Korea touts itself has the best in the world in this and that...yet, driving habits are awful.
But not has bad as India! Or China. |
I think you had better read your Stats101 textbook again lad. The statistic in the report is "Total Number of Road Deaths Per Million Population in 2008" not TOTAL drivers. The actual number of people on the road is irrelevant. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you had better read your Stats101 textbook again lad. The statistic in the report is "Total Number of Road Deaths Per Million Population in 2008" not TOTAL drivers. The actual number of people on the road is irrelevant. |
Sorry, but hellofaniceguy has it right. The op's stats are based on traffic deaths compared to the total population, whether that population consists of 10% drivers or 90%. That's incredibly misleading. Comparing traffic deaths to the total numbers of actual drivers would give a much more meaningful statistic if we are attempting to gauge the relative safety of driving in each country. |
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pusky
Joined: 03 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| driving fatalities are more of a reflection on roads and condition than anything else. Any country with a high amount of two lane highways and fast suburban and country roads will have a high fatality rate. |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| FDNY wrote: |
| I think you had better read your Stats101 textbook again lad. The statistic in the report is "Total Number of Road Deaths Per Million Population in 2008" not TOTAL drivers. The actual number of people on the road is irrelevant. |
Sorry, but hellofaniceguy has it right. The op's stats are based on traffic deaths compared to the total population, whether that population consists of 10% drivers or 90%. That's incredibly misleading. Comparing traffic deaths to the total numbers of actual drivers would give a much more meaningful statistic if we are attempting to gauge the relative safety of driving in each country. |
Sorry, you're making too much sense for me to take you seriously. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| FDNY wrote: |
| I think you had better read your Stats101 textbook again lad. The statistic in the report is "Total Number of Road Deaths Per Million Population in 2008" not TOTAL drivers. The actual number of people on the road is irrelevant. |
Sorry, but hellofaniceguy has it right. The op's stats are based on traffic deaths compared to the total population, whether that population consists of 10% drivers or 90%. That's incredibly misleading. Comparing traffic deaths to the total numbers of actual drivers would give a much more meaningful statistic if we are attempting to gauge the relative safety of driving in each country. |
Not so simple as that, a death can be anyone, driver, passengers or pedestrian. I think you'd have to take into account the number of registered cars, population and deaths. |
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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| FDNY wrote: |
| I think you had better read your Stats101 textbook again lad. The statistic in the report is "Total Number of Road Deaths Per Million Population in 2008" not TOTAL drivers. The actual number of people on the road is irrelevant. |
Sorry, but hellofaniceguy has it right. The op's stats are based on traffic deaths compared to the total population, whether that population consists of 10% drivers or 90%. That's incredibly misleading. Comparing traffic deaths to the total numbers of actual drivers would give a much more meaningful statistic if we are attempting to gauge the relative safety of driving in each country. |
I think you had better go back to grade eleven or twelve English class and pay more attention. Click on the link in the OP and read carefuly and slowly. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| FDNY wrote: |
| I think you had better read your Stats101 textbook again lad. The statistic in the report is "Total Number of Road Deaths Per Million Population in 2008" not TOTAL drivers. The actual number of people on the road is irrelevant. |
Sorry, but hellofaniceguy has it right. The op's stats are based on traffic deaths compared to the total population, whether that population consists of 10% drivers or 90%. That's incredibly misleading. Comparing traffic deaths to the total numbers of actual drivers would give a much more meaningful statistic if we are attempting to gauge the relative safety of driving in each country. |
Total number of licensed drivers doesn't really mean anything, because it doesn't take into account how often people drive or how long people drive.
The real measure would be deaths per traffic mile driven or some other similar measure.
But in any case the total number of deaths per million is a good measure that encompasses a lot of different factors. The study points out CORRECTLY that you're more likely to die as a result of a vehicle in the U.S. than in Korea.
Why is this a big surprise?
The big spaces in the US allow people to zone out, and the higher speeds allow more people to die. A densely populated urban zone necessitates that people pay attention so it's less likely that any huge collision occurs.
I think we all have different definitions for safety. Most of you guys aren't used to a densely populated place like Seoul so you think every car that is 2 feet away from you presents a danger or that someone braking late is dangerous. Yeah it happens a lot, but they're paying attention.
In reality the car 100 yards from you going 70 miles per hour in the U.S. is probably a lot more dangerous, because it takes a long time for a car to stop at that speed.
Just two different types of driving. In the U.S. the majority of the people are super passive drivers that tend to zone out. This is really false security.
In Korea or any other densely populated urban place you have cars that are all really close to each other, honking, switching lanes, close calls, etc. This isn't really all that dangerous. If you're crossing the street and a cab is turning into you and realizes it... this isn't really dangerous. Worst case scenario is that he hits you at a whopping 5 mph and you have a bruise.
This is not danger folks.
But yes, most Korean drivers suck. I'm Korean-American and Korean drivers in the U.S. suck too. Roads are OK though, millions of close calls per day, but rarely are they dangerous.
Drivers here change lanes as they do because:
a) It's necessary, otherwise you can't change lanse.
b) they know people will cede to them.
They're just playing by the rules of the game, they're different everywhere and doesn't make one thing inherently more dangerous than another.
So what we should really say that we're more scared of drivers in Korea than in the U.S. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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The big question is why are drinkers of Stolichnaya 4X more likely to die while driving drunk than drinkers of Svedka?
EDIT- These stats are old. |
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