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bucheon bum
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 Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: Palin Thinks She Could Beat Obama in 2012 |
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| Sarah Palin says she could defeat President Barack Obama if she seeks the White House in 2012. In an excerpt of an ABC News interview released Wednesday, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee says she's considering a presidential run. When asked directly if she thought she could defeat Obama, the former Alaska governor replied, "I believe so." |
If there is anything that ensures Obama continuing 4 more years, it's Sarah Palin getting the GOP nomination in 2012. |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| If Palin were to become president, I would have to seriously consider taking up a different citizenship. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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More inane blather from caribou barbie. This was said to up her ratings for her new t.v. show. She just took a whipping in her home state when Murkowski defeated the Palin chosen candidate Joe Miller.
She has zero future in national politics but if she does run in the primaries I would contribute to her campaign just to try to stick the Republicans with this loser. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| If Palin were to become president, I would have to seriously consider taking up a different citizenship. |
That's why I came to Korea following the '04 election. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| She also thinks that the earth is a few thousand years old. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| She also thinks that the earth is a few thousand years old. |
Her privately-held beliefs about the age of the earth should not impact your decision to vote for her or not. What should, however, is her desire to see creationism taught alongside evolution in public schools. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| She also thinks that the earth is a few thousand years old. |
Her privately-held beliefs about the age of the earth should not impact your decision to vote for her or not. |
Why not? They're a defining part of her life that can't help but impact her worldview, and through it, her policy positions. For example, I'm sure we're all familiar with the example of the congressman who says global warming isn't an issue because God promised never to flood the world again. Voting for someone who genuinely believes in Biblical literalism (or any sort of religious literalism) leads to that kind of insanity in our legislative houses.
The idea that the world is only a few thousand years old because the Bible implies it demonstrates a willingness to invalidate scientific fact anytime it conflicts with scripture. That's not a trait I want to see in members of the government, so of course I'd be disinclined to vote for such a person.
Respecting privately-held beliefs is fine so long as the people holding them remain private citizens. Once they seek public office, their "privately-held beliefs" become a matter for public concern. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| If Palin becomes president, it will make no difference. The US will simply continue its decline under the exact same agenda (which has been vastly accelerated under Obama). Hell, she'll probably give him a presidential medal of freedom if you just wait a few years... |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| They're a defining part of her life that can't help but impact her worldview, and through it, her policy positions. |
This is where we disagree. It's possible to believe the earth is several thousands years old yet never act on that belief in office, just as it's possible to believe homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell yet still support equality for homosexuals.
As long as those beliefs remain personal, they're complete non-issues when it comes to holding public office. |
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Skyblue
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| As long as those beliefs remain personal, they're complete non-issues when it comes to holding public office. |
Such beliefs indicate a mind that shuts itself off from evidence and criticism, and such a mind cannot be trusted to render informed and reasonable decisions on some of the most important issues in the lives of millions of people.
There are legitimate differences of opinions, and in those cases we can respect the "beliefs" of others. However, when someone chooses to ignore all available evidence and hold fantastical beliefs, then they need to be called out and they should not be entrusted with profound responsibility. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| They're a defining part of her life that can't help but impact her worldview, and through it, her policy positions. |
This is where we disagree. It's possible to believe the earth is several thousands years old yet never act on that belief in office, just as it's possible to believe homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell yet still support equality for homosexuals. |
This is political correctness taken to an extreme I'm not comfortable with. If someone believes homosexuals are an affront to nature who are going to Hell, or that radioactive half-lives are a lie created to turn people away from the Bible, or anything else of the sort, I fundamentally mistrust their judgment. Why would I vote for someone I don't and can't trust? |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| They're a defining part of her life that can't help but impact her worldview, and through it, her policy positions. |
This is where we disagree. It's possible to believe the earth is several thousands years old yet never act on that belief in office, just as it's possible to believe homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell yet still support equality for homosexuals.
As long as those beliefs remain personal, they're complete non-issues when it comes to holding public office. |
But we know that they do impact (and define) her policy positions. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
This is where we disagree. It's possible to believe the earth is several thousands years old yet never act on that belief in office, just as it's possible to believe homosexuality is a sin worthy of hell yet still support equality for homosexuals.
As long as those beliefs remain personal, they're complete non-issues when it comes to holding public office. |
So I see someone who has made good and logical decisions their entire life. Then they start saying things that are batsh** crazy on national TV. I'm not going to vote for them, because sooner or later the little imp on their shoulder will tell them it's the End Times and there's no time like the present for Armageddon.
Also, "caribou barbie" <3 |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Skyblue wrote: |
| Such beliefs indicate a mind that shuts itself off from evidence and criticism [...] |
They do nothing of the sort, in the same manner that JFK's Catholic beliefs did not indicate a mind in complete submission to the will of the Papacy.
| Fox wrote: |
| This is political correctness taken to an extreme I'm not comfortable with. If someone believes homosexuals are an affront to nature who are going to Hell, or that radioactive half-lives are a lie created to turn people away from the Bible, or anything else of the sort, I fundamentally mistrust their judgment. |
Why would you mistrust that individual's judgment if he acts in spite of those beliefs? To me that sounds like someone whose judgment has been proven to be sound.
If a politician admits to a particular belief in an interview and then follows up that admission with a commitment to make decisions in spite of said belief, what reason do you have to abandon trust in him?
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| But we know that they do impact (and define) her policy positions. |
I know. I acknowledged that when I said, "What should, however, [impact your decision to vote for her or not] is her desire to see creationism taught alongside evolution in public schools." |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Anybody could beat Obama 2012. Just like it would've been impossible for any Republican candidate to win in 2008. |
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