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rms2279
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tanklor1
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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@Catfisher: Yeah, after I looked at my class rosters and did the math, I kind of did a double take at the fact that I'm grading 70 essays a week. It does seem a bit much.
@valkerie: Seriously, we're entitled to a full hour? We just recently started getting a half hour -- for the first 3 months here, we didn't get a lunch break at all. |
Hey, I just want to warn you because it sounds like you're thinking about doing something stupid.
The crux of working here is office relations especially with the boss. Now, you sound like the only native teacher at your school; so a lot rides on you. If you start waving around your contact asking why it isn't fellowed to the letter you're going to be asking for a lot of cold shoulders and it could potentially make the rest of your time here very uncomfortable. In the end it's your decision but it sounds like you have four busy days and a day at the end of the week to dick around on facebook and instead of accepting what is essentially a four day work week you seem to be bitching about having to physically be there in the office to grade your essays and I'm willing to bet it MIGHT take you three minutes to go through one essay.
Ohh and for the record I have NEVER been given an hour break everyday for lunch at a hogwan. I worked at three of them and in my last one I was the head-teacher. |
It might take me three minutes, if many of the essays didn't look like this:
"I think more need because some more play and some more speak and some more play the game and some more see the movie and some more see and play 's example is soccer and baseball and basketball and net soccer and tennis so I ed friend because friends is very very good because I think more need because some more play and some more speak and some more play the game and some more see the movie and some more see and play 's example is soccer and baseball and basketball and net soccer and tennis If and when when tries to be how but the friend because is not the good thing the recent world sees especially is not good not to be the friend tries to know where swindler one is and the friend is not good, like that, possible Royal favor is not high is not especially if the plausible person the boy with that person not to play the friend, does not do as it is and so the friend is many is good. when enough, plentifully like will associate with the friend and will play and the recent bullying will be many because friend, company ear attempt is not easy by the way and so the stamp at random will come out and will leave out and will encounter and to peel is afraid and the recent children do to do well, abusive language polyvalence they go as it is and they are unpleasant So the last thought is to associate with the friend plentifully and then is good is like that for some reason but the bad person meets the friend where also the friend whose is good not to associate, is good and I am many friends so I am happy ! !"
Yes, that's an actual student essay. It reads like a spam email.
B/c my director does check the graded essays from time to time to see what I'm up to, I'm trying to do a decent job in grading these things which means spending more than 3-5 or even 10 minutes on one. Like I said in my original post, I definitely don't want to rock the boat w/ my director b/c when all is said and done, the rest of the job isn't too bad and I'd like to come back for another year. But in order to do that I can hardly "dick around" on Facebook all day on Friday. Having worked for years in customer service back in the States, I've mastered the subtle art of "smile & nod" when someone asks something of me that seems unreasonable, so that's probably going to continue to be my policy regarding office relations for the foreseeable future. I was just curious to see what others had to say about the situation. |
5000 won says that kid used an on-line translator and then copied/pasted it. I would have nailed them to the wall. |
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rms2279
Joined: 28 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Catfisher
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Wow. I was going to ask you to post an example of the student's essays. I had to do diary entries once and it took me 15 minutes to do 20 of them because they were all three or four lines.
Try getting the students to focus on quality not quantity. Seriously dude, if I had to do 70 essays like that, I would HAVE TO rock the boat. Now I think that everyone saying "you're just complaining" can fully understand your situation. |
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ReeNah
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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Grading essays is a bore. There always ends up being more red pen on the page then black/blue pen used by the student. It's worse because you make corrections and they make the same mistakes again and again. Hahah life...  |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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Every contract I've seen stipulates 30 teaching hours (max) and 40 working hours/week. A 40 hour workweek is the norm here for teachers as it is for any full-time job back home. Ain't no thang.
But I do agree to look into your teaching hours and breaks and what not during the rest of the week. |
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son of coco
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
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I'm not bored, just slightly annoyed that I have to come into work to do the grading. The students upload their essays to an online portal, so I could access them at home via my Internet connection. If I'm required to come to my place of work and do what appears (to me, anyway) to be work, then, well . . . if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.
I was just griping a bit, and wondering if anyone else thought it might be unfair for the director to require me to physically be here to do the grading when I could just as easily do it from the comfort of my apartment, instead of having to sit here all day w/ him periodically looking over my shoulder to see if I'm "working." |
I'd say something.
My school tried to say 'supervising' tests on a Friday didn't count for class hours. Told them if I have to be in the class and control the students, then it's a class.
If you don't have to teach at all on Friday though I guess technically it's not anything out of the ordinary. If you were doing 6 hours a day over 5 days, it would be something you did in between classes anyway. |
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debb199
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What happens to the essays after you have graded them and given them back to the students?
Can you get them to write out a "perfect" copy of the essay for homework? That way, they might be persuaded to spend a little more time on grammar and punctuation in the first place ---> less time grading. This has worked for me in the past. For the really sloppy essays, they would have to rewrite 3 times!  |
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Catfisher
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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What happens to the essays after you have graded them and given them back to the students?
Can you get them to write out a "perfect" copy of the essay for homework? That way, they might be persuaded to spend a little more time on grammar and punctuation in the first place ---> less time grading. This has worked for me in the past. For the really sloppy essays, they would have to rewrite 3 times! |
I forgot about that. I did that with students' journal entries when I would check them. The next time around they had rewritten the corrected version along with the next entry.
Also, propose to the director a maximum sentence limit since there are so many students. |
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Troglodyte
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I've often been asked to grade papers. Sometimes the students are low level. Sometimes high level. The one thing that you need to keep in mind is that you aren't being asked to proofread the papers. Just grade them. Pick out what you feel are the major errors. Write some note at the bottom or in the margin and then move on to the next. Get yourself a highlighter or red pen to underline/circle/highlight/cross out the errors. Don't correct everything. Not just because you don't have time (which IS a valid reason not to correct the whole thing) but also be because making too many corrections may de-motivate the student. It may also confuse them over what the major problems are. Focus on what YOU think are a few of the big problems. That gives the student something that they can easily focus on. This is assuming that the students actually care. You may find that some of the paper you mark go in the trash bin in the hallway outside your classroom.
I often get the students to take the paper to their mom's to get a signature confirming that she say the paper. If they aren't doing that, don't push them. Just use that knowledge when grading papers later. If they are chucking it in the bin after class, then don't bother marking. Just quickly circle half a dozen errors - the first ones you see - and be done with it. Keep in mind as well that mom's think you're a better teacher if you praise how well their kid is progressing. You can write a remark on the paper, like. "Very good. Nice progress. Try to work on some of the fine details now." |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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You can write a remark on the paper, like. "Very good. Nice progress. Try to work on some of the fine details now." |
This is good advice. I'd be finished 'grading' those essays quick smart.
Personally, I think you're being suckered. There's no way I'd be grading seventy (70) anythings. Period. And my experience tells me that you're being made to come in on fridays for 'control' reasons.
This isn't my idea of a good hagwon gig, but then I have to deskwarm a minimum of 23 hours a week at my PS job - and often way more than that.
Good luck. |
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Hootsmon
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Every contract I've seen stipulates 30 teaching hours (max) and 40 working hours/week. A 40 hour workweek is the norm here for teachers as it is for any full-time job back home. Ain't no thang.
But I do agree to look into your teaching hours and breaks and what not during the rest of the week. |
Just to chuck in my opinion for what it's worth, I'd agree with DorothyParker here. It sounds like you're reading the contract a bit too literally. Usually most hagwon jobs are for about 30 teaching hours, but of course there are other responsibilities. I assume you also do some class prep at work too? The 30 hours is a maximum teaching limit, but usually the contract states there are other required duties. Unless you're being paid by the class, rather than a monthly salary (if you are, you can probably disregard most of this message).
I don't know any hagwon jobs that let you take a day off work or stay at home, as annoying as it is. I had a couple of jobs that required desk warming all day on Friday, even though it was a complete waste of time there was no way around it.
If you have a good relationship with your boss and the worst part of your job is having to have a more relaxing Friday than most, listen to music and check some awful essays, then my recommendation would be to not rock the boat. You can ask to do the work at home (I guess you already have) but if your boss says you need to be at work, I'd drop the matter. Hagwon bosses generally don't like being challenged. It brings out the worst in them.
Things could be much worse - for a hagwon job, your job sounds alright (and infinitely better than my second job). |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: "Working" on Fridays w/out Pay. . . |
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I'm spending yet another Friday at my hagwon, not teaching, but rather grading student essays online. However, I'm not being paid for the time that I'm here at the hagwon.
My contract stipulates that I'm to be paid for 30 hours/week of classroom teaching. However, my director informed me when I arrived 4 months ago that I would be required to come in on Fridays to grade student essays through the school's online portal.
I'm perfectly fine w/ not being paid for grading (I wouldn't get paid for it if I were teaching back in the U.S.), but I do have a slight problem w/ being required to be physically present at my hagwon to do it. Since the essays are uploaded to the school's online portal, I don't see why I couldn't do my grading off-site.
Since this is my first teaching gig in Korea, I'm afraid to mention this to the director (who otherwise has been pretty good) for fear of rocking the boat and causing a rift between us (he said he would like me to return next year to teach, and I told him I'd definitely like to).
Is anyone else required by their hagwon to do their grading on-site? Would this be considered typical/untypical? |
If you are only grading the essays, then it shouldn't take to long to finish. But if you're grading and correcting them, then it will take several hours to finish.
Becuase, I have to read and correct 140 stories a month for our school's newspaper. Then it will take me about 4 or 5 hours to finish. |
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rms2279
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rms2279
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