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speakyword



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:07 am    Post subject: boss refusing to pay return airfare Reply with quote

I am just about to finish my contract and now I am finding out that my boss is claiming he has no responsibility to pay my return flight. My recruiter promised that I would have both flights paid when I took the job (though I have no evidence of that promise).

I did read my contract when I got it but I was looking for other details and stupidly assumed I would get a flight, but technically it is not in my contract. All my contract says is "In the event that this Contract is terminated Employee shall be responsible for the return flight to his/her home country" but it never actually says that if I do complete my contract I will receive a return flight.

Is there anything I can do? My recruiter called my work and my boss yelled at them saying they never said I would get a return flight and it's not in the contract so they have no intention of paying it. My recruiter said there's nothing more they can do.

Also, worthy of being noted is that there are 2 new teachers, just a few months into their contracts that were not aware of this either and they are pissed off.

Got any ideas?

Thanks for any information
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is not in the contract you might be out of luck. Check you old contract that you signed and was submitted to immigration! You have to really be careful in checking them when you sign. As to the other teachers I would also tell them to check too. They will have to make the choice on continuing with the school or quitting/running.
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speakyword



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, I checked the copy I signed. He's right. The other teachers checked too... same situation :'(
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't assume that any of the old expectations still apply. K employers are cutting oorners wherever they can get away with it.

If they withdrew accomodation and only paid 1.8 they'd probably still get a flood of applicants.. due to the recession.
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sulperman



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

speakyword wrote:
yeah, I checked the copy I signed. He's right. The other teachers checked too... same situation :'(



How many other teachers are there? Can you get them on board for a full scale revolt? Even if it is not in your contract, it is pretty standard, and I have no doubt whatsoever that you were all told by the recruiter that it was included. Especially if there are a number of teachers who feel strongly about it, you do have ALL the power here. Use it. People don't realize that a hagwon simply can not cope with all the teachers calling in sick on the same day, and will do whatever they can to satisfy, just so long as everybody is with you.

Have any teachers left while you've been there? What happened with them?

Is it a chain or a mom and pop place?
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Catfisher



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sulperman wrote:
speakyword wrote:
yeah, I checked the copy I signed. He's right. The other teachers checked too... same situation :'(



How many other teachers are there? Can you get them on board for a full scale revolt? Even if it is not in your contract, it is pretty standard, and I have no doubt whatsoever that you were all told by the recruiter that it was included. Especially if there are a number of teachers who feel strongly about it, you do have ALL the power here. Use it. People don't realize that a hagwon simply can not cope with all the teachers calling in sick on the same day, and will do whatever they can to satisfy, just so long as everybody is with you.

Have any teachers left while you've been there? What happened with them?

Is it a chain or a mom and pop place?


This guy's thinking. Maybe you should all call in sick anyway, just to show solidarity. But then, he'd probably come knocking at all your apartments
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asylum seeker



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let this be a warning to all newbies- read your contract carefully. Don't assume that because you've been told something verbally that it will be in the contract.

An adult hagwon that I used to work for had a clause that I would have to work seven teaching hours a day when asked instead of six. Foolishly I believed their reassurances that this was just "something that they put in the contract" and I would hardly ever be asked to do that. As it turned out they ended up making me work the seven classes instead of six almost the entire time I was there and there was nothing I could do about it.
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speakyword



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are 3 other foreign teachers. Only two of them are affected because the other was hired from within korea and wouldn't get a flight anyways... but anyways, even the unaffected teacher and the Korean teachers don't agree with it and are willing to support me. We're going to have a meeting about it on friday. Going to try to put pressure on him by saying the newer teachers don't have much incentive to finish their contracts, and our recruiters wont want to give them new teachers once they find out this school doesn't offer return flights.

So I'm hoping that goes down well
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
wouldn't get a flight anyways


Yes, they would. They would get the flight home. Just because they don't get a flight initially doesn't mean they shouldn't get a flight home. The hagwon still saves half and it's morally sound.

Go in as a group after pay day, demand each contract to be revised and submitted to immigration. If they refuse, walk out and don't come back. Move on.
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definitely maybe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
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wouldn't get a flight anyways


Yes, they would. They would get the flight home. Just because they don't get a flight initially doesn't mean they shouldn't get a flight home. The hagwon still saves half and it's morally sound.

Go in as a group after pay day, demand each contract to be revised and submitted to immigration. If they refuse, walk out and don't come back. Move on.


This is a prime example of the fact that there is not a uniform contract template for hagwons. Lifeinkorea's opinion has absolutely no influence over whether or not your co-worker does or should get a flight. Furthermore, there is no reason not to assume that he is getting compensated in a way other than a flight. The rest of his advice is sound, but only if you really do have everyone's support. Be careful or you could jeopardize your severance as well.
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
I wouldn't assume that any of the old expectations still apply. K employers are cutting oorners wherever they can get away with it.

If they withdrew accomodation and only paid 1.8 they'd probably still get a flood of applicants.. due to the recession.


is it really this bad now?
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Catfisher



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
Junior wrote:
I wouldn't assume that any of the old expectations still apply. K employers are cutting oorners wherever they can get away with it.

If they withdrew accomodation and only paid 1.8 they'd probably still get a flood of applicants.. due to the recession.


is it really this bad now?


No, Junior is just a 'chicken little' doomsayer.

OP, if the boss still refuses to pay for your flights, maybe you could look up one of the most expensive flight prices, print it off the internet and MOD EDIT to something that could get you a flight.
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speakyword



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, while some employers might offer a flight to teachers hired from within korea, I don't think it's common enough to be expected like it is from teachers hired from outside korea. And if it is not promised to the teacher when they started they don't have grounds to get it.

And there's no way I'm walking at this point. I want my severence... plus my boss deducted 5% off every check and I get that at the end of my contract as well. However the other teachers are only 3 months in and they are going to say there is not much reason for them to bother finishing their contracts...
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kardisa



Joined: 26 Jun 2009
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

speakyword wrote:
plus my boss deducted 5% off every check and I get that at the end of my contract as well

That doesn't sound sketchy at all.... Rolling Eyes
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speakyword



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kardisa wrote:
speakyword wrote:
plus my boss deducted 5% off every check and I get that at the end of my contract as well

That doesn't sound sketchy at all.... Rolling Eyes


yeah, but at least he was upfront about that when I joined. I don't really mind because I knew about it. Also I kind of consider it a forced savings account. But it does say that he's paranoid about teachers not finishing their contracts... And it turns out there's a reason... the school has had 14 foreign teachers in 2 years and only 2 have finished a contract
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