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Sugar



Joined: 15 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Brits and Tax Reply with quote

I just wanted some info from Brits working for Public school and whether you have to pay tax in the UK.

I believe that with EPIK you don't pay tax for two years, but need a UK residency certificate. But will I have to pay tax on money I send to the UK?

Thanks. Smile
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elliot79



Joined: 08 Oct 2010
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

could somebody please also tell us how to get a UK residency certificate Smile
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Sugar



Joined: 15 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not what I was ask for. I know where to get a Residency Certificate.

Just wanted to know about paying tax in the UK when working in South Korea.

By the way to get a UK Residency Certificate you need to contact HMRC and they will direct you to your tax office (if you don't know it).

Brits working in Korea please??
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debb199



Joined: 15 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are all the answers: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/osc.htm

A2. If you remain treated as resident in the UK for UK tax purposes, normally you will be taxable on your income arising in the UK and overseas. If you are treated as resident and pay tax outside the UK HMRC can give appropriate credit for any tax paid abroad.

If you become treated as non-resident, you will normally only be taxable on your income arising in the UK.

Forms are further down the page. Of course, its up to you whether you want to pay Korean taxes or be liable for the much higher UK taxes!
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debb199



Joined: 15 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, double post!

Last edited by debb199 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:25 am; edited 1 time in total
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Sugar



Joined: 15 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. However in practice what do people do?

Do they get the tax cerf and let HMRC know they are working abroad?

What happens when you send money home, does that get taxed?

Confused
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elliot79



Joined: 08 Oct 2010
Location: England

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugar wrote:
Not what I was ask for. I know where to get a Residency Certificate.

Just wanted to know about paying tax in the UK when working in South Korea.

By the way to get a UK Residency Certificate you need to contact HMRC and they will direct you to your tax office (if you don't know it).

Brits working in Korea please??


sorry, i should have said I, as oppose to US.

but yeah i need to get a residency certificate.
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debb199



Joined: 15 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugar wrote:
Thanks for the info. However in practice what do people do?

Do they get the tax cerf and let HMRC know they are working abroad?

What happens when you send money home, does that get taxed?

Confused


Sorry, I don't know any Brits working for public schools, so don't know how they work around it.

Guess your options are to pay taxes on your earnings in Korea, get the residency cert. and be liable to pay taxes in the UK or tell the tax man you're travelling for a year....

The only charges I pay on money I transfer to my UK bank account are bank charges (my UK bank charges more than twice as much to receive the transfer as my Korean bank charges to send it!)
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard anything like it. I've never paid a penny in tax to the UK government whilst I've been here.
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Hootsmon



Joined: 22 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah...been here over 4 years, never told the UK government what I've been doing and never paid taxes in the UK.

Maybe the only downside is that my I don't think my years of tax-paying out here aren counting as part of the required years to qualify for UK state pension. But then, there's a good chance that by the time I get to retirement age, there will be no money left to share around...
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debb199



Joined: 15 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chellovek wrote:
Never heard anything like it. I've never paid a penny in tax to the UK government whilst I've been here.


Yes, but do you pay taxes in Korea? If so, you're not liable for taxation in the UK.
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

debb199 wrote:
chellovek wrote:
Never heard anything like it. I've never paid a penny in tax to the UK government whilst I've been here.


Yes, but do you pay taxes in Korea? If so, you're not liable for taxation in the UK.


That's the impression I was under, so what are the people higher up talking about?
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harshlands101



Joined: 19 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in a public school, my first year I didn't pay tax and didn't need a residency cert (08/09). This time around I was told I needed one, but I forgot to get it and seemingly my admin office has forgotten to chase it up so I am still not paying tax 8 months into my contract.

You don't pay tax on money sent home, as said above, just the bank charges. You will be liable for tax charged on any interest accrued on the money that you send home. Interest earned on savings is taken at source and unless you are in the higher tax bracket no tax return is necessary.

Any income earned in the UK is liable for UK tax - 'Earned' income is from a job. 'Unearned' income comes from interest/dividends/rental and the such.

If you have unearned income you should be declaring them on a tax return and paying the taxes due. Obviously whether you do or not is down to you!

As far as I was aware of, money earned in another country is not taxable in the UK if there is a double taxation agreement in place, which there is for UK/Korea. The 2 year no tax is part of that agreement and we don't have to pay tax in the UK, even after the 2 year grace period is up. We do however have to pay class 2 or 4 NI contributions if you want to keep up your state pension although there is no obligation to do so.

You should also inform the Student Loan Company of your whereabouts and they will calculate a monthly payment based on your income in Korea - ha ha no chance on my part!

I'm pretty sure that is all correct, shoot me if I'm wrong

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debb199



Joined: 15 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

harshlands101 wrote:
As far as I was aware of, money earned in another country is not taxable in the UK if there is a double taxation agreement in place, which there is for UK/Korea.


Double taxation agreements do not mean that you don't pay any tax; they are to stop you paying tax twice.

I still won't believe (until someone shows me proof!) that public school teachers are completely exempt from paying tax in both Korea and the UK for 2 years. Anyone willing to read through the Double Taxation Agreement?! http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/dtmanual/DT11350+.htm
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harshlands101



Joined: 19 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Double taxation agreements do not mean that you don't pay any tax; they are to stop you paying tax twice.


Yes that is what a double taxation agreement means, sorry I thought I'd made that clear with what I had written.

The 2 year 'no tax' agreement will form part of the DT agreement for what ever reason was deemed appropriate during negotiation of the said agreement.

Foreign companies are given tax breaks in the UK as part of economic growth programs, why not individuals.

People working in the middle east have had the luxury of tax free incomes for years, it's part of the incentive package to get people working there. They don't and have never paid UK tax on that income, unless it is 'Unearned' income made from monies sent back to the UK as I outlined in my previous post. And no, I haven't read the double taxation link you posted, but if not Saudi or Oman why not Korea?
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