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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:05 am    Post subject: Real Estate Commission Rate Reply with quote

I want to cross check my information. On the Seoul Global site they list officetel commission rate on "General Residences" of 0.3% if Transaction Amount is between 100M and 300M KRW.

To get your transaction amount you use this formula (for Wolsae):
Deposit + (one month rent x 100) = Transaction Amount (TA)

Then : TA x 0.3% = Commission Rate

HOWEVER,
I'm told that Officetels are not considered a "General Residence" and are an "exception to the rule". And as such are charged typically at 0.6% up to 0.9%. But I have not found any documentation stating this. Can anyone verify this?
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know when we signed the lease for our apartment, the deposit (Wolsae) was 20m and our rent was 500,000. We negotiated the fee at 250,000 won for the real estate agents work. Using the figures you give, we got a good deal.
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manofwar



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:06 am    Post subject: fee Reply with quote

If you move into an offictel the fee is between 200,000 to 250,000 won. Wolsa or Jeonsa. These are the prices that I have paid over the years. If you stay in the same place DO NOT pay another fee.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. These are far far lower than what they are asking me to pay. But my monthly rent is much higher...
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victorology



Joined: 10 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: fee Reply with quote

manofwar wrote:
If you move into an offictel the fee is between 200,000 to 250,000 won. Wolsa or Jeonsa. These are the prices that I have paid over the years. If you stay in the same place DO NOT pay another fee.


This is not the average fee for an officetel.

By law, real estate agents can charge up to 0.9% of (deposit + [rent*100]) for an officetel. So if your deposit is 10 million won and monthly rent is 700,000 won, then by law, the real estate agent can charge up to 720,000 won.

Of course, everything is negotiable. If you don't negotiate, the real estate agent will charge you the maximum allowed by law. For officetels, I would try to cut the rate in half. In the above example, I think you could get away with 350-400,000 won for the fee.
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manofwar



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:02 am    Post subject: fees Reply with quote

The law and what actually happens in Korea is quite different. I'm giving the post a real personal experience. The fee was 200,000 won to the realtor . The dep. to the offictel is 10,000,000 won and monthly rent is 500,000. If one realtor doesn't want to neg. then move on to the next realtor. Thousands of them around. Happy hunting.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except if they found you a place you want to move in to. Then if you don't agree on the commission fee, the realtor will throw the legal book at you and tell you to pay the standard rate which is "supposedly" 0.6% for Officetels. I'm still trying to confirm why offictels are considered an exception to the rule and not considered a "General Residence". I understand that high rise apartments would fall under the "Luxury Residences" most likely. Villas are for sure under the General Residence.
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goingtothecountry



Joined: 15 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
I know when we signed the lease for our apartment, the deposit (Wolsae) was 20m and our rent was 500,000. We negotiated the fee at 250,000 won for the real estate agents work. Using the figures you give, we got a good deal.


You are getting ripped big time. No matter how nice the place, unless it's furnished, if you're paying 20 M deposit, you shouldn't be paying more than 250,000-300,000 for rent. I know someone with a nice 2 bedroom paying 10 M deposit and his rent is only 200,000.
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Slowmotion



Joined: 15 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:
Interesting. These are far far lower than what they are asking me to pay. But my monthly rent is much higher...

I live in Gangnam where the realtors try to often overcharge. My rent is 750,000 a month and 1000만원 deposit. I ended up paying 370,000 to the realtor, although they tried to charge more.

Another poster on here got a ton of realtors trying to charge him in the 500-700k range before finally finding a reasonable rate.


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if you're paying 20 M deposit, you shouldn't be paying more than 250,000-300,000 for rent. I know someone with a nice 2 bedroom paying 10 M deposit and his rent is only 200,000.

n00b alert?
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowmotion wrote:
red_devil wrote:
Interesting. These are far far lower than what they are asking me to pay. But my monthly rent is much higher...

I live in Gangnam where the realtors try to often overcharge. My rent is 750,000 a month and 1000만원 deposit. I ended up paying 370,000 to the realtor, although they tried to charge more.

Another poster on here got a ton of realtors trying to charge him in the 500-700k range before finally finding a reasonable rate.


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if you're paying 20 M deposit, you shouldn't be paying more than 250,000-300,000 for rent. I know someone with a nice 2 bedroom paying 10 M deposit and his rent is only 200,000.

n00b alert?


10M and 200,000 for a nice two bedroom in Gangnam??? Sounds like total BS to me. My friend just moved into a building pretty new (about 3 years old) near Gangnam Stn. officetel with sliding door separate room at 20M deposit 1.5M rent. Realtor originally asked 1M fee, but he negotiated down to 800,000...it's proportionate to the monthly rent i guess.
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Slowmotion



Joined: 15 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:
Slowmotion wrote:
red_devil wrote:
Interesting. These are far far lower than what they are asking me to pay. But my monthly rent is much higher...

I live in Gangnam where the realtors try to often overcharge. My rent is 750,000 a month and 1000만원 deposit. I ended up paying 370,000 to the realtor, although they tried to charge more.

Another poster on here got a ton of realtors trying to charge him in the 500-700k range before finally finding a reasonable rate.


Quote:

if you're paying 20 M deposit, you shouldn't be paying more than 250,000-300,000 for rent. I know someone with a nice 2 bedroom paying 10 M deposit and his rent is only 200,000.

n00b alert?


10M and 200,000 for a nice two bedroom in Gangnam??? Sounds like total BS to me. My friend just moved into a building pretty new (about 3 years old) near Gangnam Stn. officetel with sliding door separate room at 20M deposit 1.5M rent. Realtor originally asked 1M fee, but he negotiated down to 800,000...it's proportionate to the monthly rent i guess.

I think you're confused, I was replying to goingtothecountry. No one was talking about a 2 bedroom apartment in Gangnam.

1.5 rent? Unless he's making a lot of money, I don't see why anyone would do that.
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War Eagle



Joined: 15 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1000 man won deposit here and 800k a month. The realtor first asked for 700k fee, but I negotiated down to 500k. I asked around to several other realtors about the same unit (because they all can show the same properties) and their prices were the same. I'm not saying I couldn't have gotten it lower, but I did negotiate for over 24 hours.
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victorology



Joined: 10 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

War Eagle wrote:
1000 man won deposit here and 800k a month. The realtor first asked for 700k fee, but I negotiated down to 500k. I asked around to several other realtors about the same unit (because they all can show the same properties) and their prices were the same. I'm not saying I couldn't have gotten it lower, but I did negotiate for over 24 hours.


So, I think this is more of a typical commission you will get charged for an officetel. By law, the max commission for this place would be 810,000 won and it's not surprising that the realtor would want to charge near the max. You can usually go as low as half but 500,000 won isn't bad for an officetel at this price.
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jlee83



Joined: 20 Sep 2010
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 million key money will usually lower your monthly rent by 100,000.

20 million key = 200,000 monthly discount.

For course, this all depends on the landlord and what they prefer (key money or higher rent).

As for the realtor fee, you just have to shop around A LOT. A couple months ago, I was looking for a place in Gangnam and most of the realtors wanted 700k+ for a 10 million / 1.1 million officetel. Luckily, my cousin introduced me to another realtor who gave me a big discount, but I still had to pay 400,000.

My advice is to shop around, and if you have any Korean friends, ask them to introduce you to their realtors.
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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Real Estate Commission Rate Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:
I want to cross check my information. On the Seoul Global site they list officetel commission rate on "General Residences" of 0.3% if Transaction Amount is between 100M and 300M KRW.

To get your transaction amount you use this formula (for Wolsae):
Deposit + (one month rent x 100) = Transaction Amount (TA)

Then : TA x 0.3% = Commission Rate

HOWEVER,
I'm told that Officetels are not considered a "General Residence" and are an "exception to the rule". And as such are charged typically at 0.6% up to 0.9%. But I have not found any documentation stating this. Can anyone verify this?


Your information is correct. The max they can charge is 0.9%, which they will if you don't negotiate. The lowest is 0.3%, but you will never get that for an officetel. It's normal to meet in the middle at 0.5 or 0.6.

My realtor (Gangnam officetel) told me he always charges 0.5, and it sounded good to me, based on advice I'd gotten beforehand. I was prepared to pay 0.6 though.
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