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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: Do unis favour white teachers? |
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I've met quite a few uni teachers here and they've all been white. A lot of the uni teachers I've encountered have no masters degree, CELTA or formal training, but they have been young and white.
This might sound paranoid, but it's no secret that many Korean employers think 'white is right' when it comes to EFL.
Do you think that this prejudice extends to the university arena? |
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The_slap_chop
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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The_slap_chop wrote: |
Yes. |
Nothing more to add? Anecdotes, opinions etc? |
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RMNC

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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There's no need for anecdotes on that one. The answer is a simple "yes", with everything that means included. |
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The_slap_chop
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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cj1976 wrote: |
The_slap_chop wrote: |
Yes. |
Nothing more to add? Anecdotes, opinions etc? |
No. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I dont see this thread going anywhere positive...  |
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SinclairLondon
Joined: 17 Sep 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Preferably, white, attractive, female and educated, in that order. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:27 am Post subject: |
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The question by the OP hints at age and racial discrimination being a deciding factor. I can't speak for the Koreans, but I have been on selection committees and I can say that qualified and experienced are their first choices. |
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machoman

Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: |
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my gf's friend is a black dude who taught at a uni in daejeon, and now he teaches at a uni in busan. i know a half korean/half white guy teaching at a u ni as well. |
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Poker
Joined: 16 Jan 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: |
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I think if a uni is faced with choosing between a white face and a non-white face, with the same qualifications and both are "likable", they would choose the white face. But that doesn't mean unis won't hire non-white faces. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008 Location: Marakesh
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Why don't you look at the numbers? In the US, blacks make up approximately 10% of the population. In the US, they are also, generally speaking, a lot less likely to attend college. So, if you look at the demographics of all the ESL teachers in Korea, I'd say black ESL teachers are a very small group, and as such, you're not going to find a lot of them at universities.
I happen to know one that works at a University, and he's more than qualified. When it comes to a Uni, they are a bit more neutral in their hiring practices, i.e. a selection committee, standards that they follow, etc. So I'd have to say no, it's just that there are not a lot of black ESL teachers in the first place. |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Yes. That's just the way it is. Individuals usually change perceptions...not groups. Be an exception in this land of harmony. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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I guess another good question to ask while we're on this topic:
Do universities favor females the same way hagwons/kindergartens do? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I would say it really depends on the university and who's doing the hiring. I have worked at a few universities where they have had non-white teachers who worked out well. To some degree, employers in Korea still favor the white female face, but qualifications are becoming more and more important. University jobs are getting ultra competitive, so don't take it personally. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Milwaukiedave wrote: |
To some degree, employers in Korea still favor the white female face, but qualifications are becoming more and more important. |
Yeah, but are UNIVERSITIES favoring females?
It's no secret that hagwons and kindergartens favor females. They often don't even try to hide it -- they say so right in their ads.
But by university, this "I'm a shy, plaid skirt-wearing, only-able-to-speak-at-0.1-decibels girl, no male teacher will do" mentality has hopefully evaporated...
Is there still significant discrimination against male instructors at the university level? And if so, why? The hagwon/kindy argument of "well, women are just better with children" no longer has any relevance in university, right? |
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