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mises
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 Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: 'Turkey won't be silent if Israel attacks Lebanon, Gaza' |
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http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=196792
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Turkey will not stay silent in the event of an Israeli attack on Lebanon or the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in Beirut on Thursday, according to an AFP report.
"Does (Israel) think it can enter Lebanon with the most modern aircraft and tanks to kill women and children, and destroy schools and hospitals, and then expect us to remain silent?" Erdogan asked on the final day of a two-day visit to Lebanon.
"Does it think it can use the most modern weapons, phosphorus munitions and cluster bombs to kill children in Gaza and then expect us to remain silent? We will not be silent and we will support justice by all means available to us," he added. |
Bye bye NATO. I now understand why America wanted Turkey in the EU. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| there are women and children being killing in a bunch of places. I guess Turkey is upset because these women and children are Muslim? |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| there are women and children being killing in a bunch of places. I guess Turkey is upset because these women and children are Muslim? |
Yes, I imagine that's the case. This is why the Holodomor is especially meaningful to me, the Holocaust to Jews and the Armenian Genocide to Armenians. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| Religion in this case is divisive and the cause of suffering and war. If the people of Turkey didn't have a religion they wouldn't sympathize with an oppressed group of Muslims and would go about their own business. It's kind of insane to kill and be killed for the sake of a superstitious belief system. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Oh well.
Turkey is the first major power to openly defend the rights of Arabs not to be killed by Israel. Israel must be confronted and constrained. Turkey, a NATO member, might be the state to do it. |
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stilicho25
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure two of the most ruthless countries in the region squaring up over this is a good idea. Out of the frying pan, into the fire comes to mind. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: ... |
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| I thought Turkey was pardoned by Obama. |
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northway
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| there are women and children being killing in a bunch of places. I guess Turkey is upset because these women and children are Muslim? |
This is part of it, but I think it's as much due to geopolitical reasons. With the EU (France) rejecting any possibility of Turkey joining its ranks, they're better off projecting power regionally (and have no reason to play nice). That said, they can talk a big talk but they're not going to start a war with Israel, even if Israel does invade Lebanon. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| This confuses me a little. Turkey and Israel have always had close ties. I believe they signed a defense treaty a few years back. Since when have Turks been concerned about the well being of arabs? |
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northway
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| This confuses me a little. Turkey and Israel have always had close ties. I believe they signed a defense treaty a few years back. Since when have Turks been concerned about the well being of arabs? |
A few things:
First, the old line secular politicians that controlled the country since the time of Ataturk have been pushed aside in the last couple years by a more fundamentalist Islamic party. They're not crazy Islamists or anything, but they're a lot more religious than past governments, and as such buy into Islamic solidarity a lot more.
Second, Israel made a big mistake when it boarded that Turkish flagged ship in international waters and killed Turkish nationals.
Third, Israel's behavior towards Palestinians has been increasingly belligerent over the last decade while it's more moderate political left has collapsed entirely. There is no line but the hard line in Israel now, which makes it much more difficult for anyone, particularly Islamic countries, to maintain friendly diplomatic ties. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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I had thought the islamist were out. I do realize that Turkey is in a rivalry with Iran in the region for power so I guess this is Turkey's way of giving the Arab states another option for protection. That makes sense for them. They are not going to attack Israel they just want to weaken Iran's influence in the region. You are correct that the left is no more in Israel. They intend on riding the tiger until the end. The U.S general who trained Palestinian defense forces sees only a few years left for any kind of meaningful settlement of the situation.
I ran has used the situation to carve out an area of influence in the region without using any military force. Turkey is pushing back. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
I had thought the islamist were out. I do realize that Turkey is in a rivalry with Iran in the region for power so I guess this is Turkey's way of giving the Arab states another option for protection. That makes sense for them. They are not going to attack Israel they just want to weaken Iran's influence in the region. You are correct that the left is no more in Israel. They intend on riding the tiger until the end. The U.S general who trained Palestinian defense forces sees only a few years left for any kind of meaningful settlement of the situation.
I ran has used the situation to carve out an area of influence in the region without using any military force. Turkey is pushing back. |
Also quite true.
And no, Erdoghan is still in power, though he's not quite so hardline that I would call him Islamist, personally. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Eastern Europeans learned, after 30million+ dead, the outcome of unrestrained Jewish supremacism. The Arabs will be protected from this by the Turks, I hope. Somebody has to protect them. If Israel does to the Arabs what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to Russians a third world war will be unavoidable. |
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Jeonmunka
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| I like Turkey. I have several students from Turkey in my classes. They are really excellent people. I have only positive experiences. Good on them for sticking up for innocent women and children. Good on the PM. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Eastern Europeans learned, after 30million+ dead, the outcome of unrestrained Jewish supremacism. The Arabs will be protected from this by the Turks, I hope. Somebody has to protect them. If Israel does to the Arabs what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to Russians a third world war will be unavoidable. |
Thanks Captain Antisemite, says the anti-Zionist guy. |
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