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[mc_jc]

[rusty1983]

For all the reasons discussed at length around here I would be highly surprised if war kicked off again. However, if the British media are to be believed then tensions are higher than is usual for these flare-ups and it seems like something will have to give sooner rather than later. What do you think this could be?

[Harpeau]

[rollo]

China is in a bind on this one. they really do not want the U.s. and Japan to ramp up forces in the region, and that is what is happening.

They do not want any attacks on the North but the actions of the North are causeing them a lot of problems.

Two key things, four months ago when the U.s. talked about sending a carrier into the area , China screamed. Well we have sent a carrier into the region and China has not said a word. A Chinese professor said" they may be saying that the North is on its on. This is a dangerous time because the North is rudderless with Kim dying and no real stable power in the North. I think the Chinese want the North Korea problem to go away and a new regional agreement be constructed. I think they would tolerate a limited retaliation.

No Harpeau the U.s. did not put Japan in an economic headlock, we were in a depression so deep we could barely support ourselves. We did state that we would embargo Indonesian oil but we had no means to do that and the British continued to sell them Indonesian oil. A little reading of the historical record would help. Also the attack was expected, but in the Phillipines. The Japanese general staff began planning an attack on pearl Harbor in 1933, before Roosevelt announced that the U.s. wanted to embargo Indonesian oil. Conspiracy theory is a shameful perversion of history.

[laconic2]

[mc_jc]

In many respects, Harpeau was right.
The oil and resource embargo placed on Japan by the US and western colonial interests did put Japan in a very tough position because negotiations to lift the embargo broke down and the only "rational" conclusion the Japanese felt they had were to go to war.

However, China provides North Korea with tons of its energy needs from pipelines across their borders. The only time those resources were taken away from them was when the North Koreans refused to go to the second round of denuclearization talks back toward the middle of the 00's.

Songun (military first) policy is somewhat heavily dependent on food aid from Korea and the US (yes! we are in fact feeding the very army that will be fighting against us). When this aid dried up gradually, North Korea began resorting to 'blackmail' to get that aid back- the demand for aid in return for an end to provocative measures. The previous progressive Korean governments, as well as the US, yielded to that demand in return for the relative calm.
The Korean public's perception that North Korea was a "nation of wayward brethren" was at its highest during the Noh Mu Hyun government, who openly talked with the North. People began to flout the national security law, as well as the KNP not strictly enforcing it. The previous government gave the Korean public the perception that peaceful unification would happen within the next generation.
However, that sentiment was only felt in the south. As the south was in a state of 'unification euphoria', the north was still arming itself and kept itself on war-footing.
New KPLA units were mobilized and stationed along the demarcation line. However, after the destruction of a KPLA-NF ship in 2008 (in addition to the reported stroke suffered by Kim Jung Il), naval assets, artillery and rocket units were quietly moved from the eastern corridor (north of Kangwon-Do) to the West Sea [Yellow Sea].
As was the case in the 80's, when Kim Jung Il showed his might against the world to solidify his grip on power, Kim Jung Eun is doing the exact same thing. He had ordered the attack on the Cheonan and the attack on Yeongpyeong Island to gain 'brownie points' before becoming paramount leader after the death of his father.


This reminds me a lot of the rivalry between Athenian Greece and Sparta during pre-Macedonian period.

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[jvalmer]

[mc_jc]

There are a few people I do trust here because they are indeed friends, but as to put stuff out there just because you want to see it is not going to happen.

Why don't you go through Wikileaks and request them to get that kind of information next time they publish documents...oh! I forgot! Wikileaks won't publish anything related to China or Russia for fear that these countries would shut them down and kill their couriers and founder.

The source document is given, if you're from a news agency or something related to the media, you could file a FOIA form and obtain the document directly from the government.

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Is the US really getting close to starting a war over this? If protests are being organized in the streets, it may be closer than we think.

Call to Action: Online Demonstration for Peace in Korea
Sunday 11/28 and Wednesday 12/1

President Obama is sending the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS George Washington (carrying 75 warplanes and a crew of over 6000) and other warships for additional war-games with the South Korean military beginning this Sunday, November 28.This only escalates the already tense situation on the Korean peninsula and brings us dangerously closer to an all-out war. And the blogosphere is already full of hate-mongering rhetoric calling for �retaliation� after the tragic incident on Yeonpyong Island earlier this week. Two civilians and two South Korean soldiers have died. We say NO MORE LOST LIVES.

We need all those who stand for peace to call for de-escalation on the Korean peninsula and an immediate end to the U.S.-South Korean war games. On Sunday, November 28, from 12 noon to 3 pm EST (9 am to 12 noon PST) and Wednesday, December 1 from 7 pm to 10 pm EST (4pm to 7 pm PST) tell Obama and Clinton to immediately stop the joint U.S.-South Korean war maneuvers, and sign a Peace Agreement to end the state of war that has existed for sixty years on the Korean peninsula.

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URGENT: Articles on the Yeonpyeong Incident and Background

Also,

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