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US EMBASSY PULLS EVACUATION PLANS FOR CITIZENS
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Himself



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:57 pm    Post subject: US EMBASSY PULLS EVACUATION PLANS FOR CITIZENS Reply with quote

Just had an interesting experience....

I went to look at the US Embassy Seoul website (http://seoul.usembassy.gov) to check the evacuation sites for those living in Seoul. I remembered that there were two evacuation centers, both of which were south of the Han (Mokdong and Jamsil). I went to http://seoul.usembassy.gov/acs_emergency_evacuation.html only to find this message: "At this time, there is no consideration of an evacuation."

Why would they cancel the old evacuation plan without any update? I tried calling the Embassy to get the new evacuation plan without any success. I was told that the information was "reserved" and that "there was no consideration of an evacuation at this time," but that if anything happened "you will be the first to know." I was also told that leaving the evacuation plan up might "cause mass panic," while that person's superior said that "although it might seem that the evacuation plan was removed to prevent mass panic, the truth is that the plan is just being updated." When I asked how I was supposed to receive information in the event of an emergency, I was told that they have ways of informing citizens, such as the warden e-mail system. When I inquired as to how I was supposed to receive evacuation information if the internet or electricity went out, I was told to "use my imagination."

I highly recommend all those concerned to call the public servants at the embassy at 02-397-4040.
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thrylos



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're assuming that A) they really care and want to help evacuate the average Joe living and teaching in Korea at the beginning of armed hostilities, and B) they actually have a half-feasible plan of doing so for 5-10 thousand (??) US folks living all over SK not attached to the military.

You have better hopes of running to the advancing NorKs and saying you've always been a firm believer in Juche and get their clemency than boarding a US plane or boat heading out of Korea....BTW, isn't the Canadian Embassy's plan to use US transportation out of here? I've got 3 highly-used bridges back in NY I want to sell, you know, desperate economic times and all that!!! Haha!!


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decolyon



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha.

And they said I was crazy for packing an emergency bag and mapping a route South that could be traveled by foot.

Well, who's crazy now?
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed this, too! They used to have the plans on the website. One might be able to find the plans somewhere else online, but they're probably not applicable anymore anyways.

Great use of logic. They normally have evacuation plans, but they remove them during times of increased tension as not to worry us. USA Sparkling.
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thomas pars



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude didn't Katrina and the BP oil spill teach you anything?

When it goes down you and me are the last things on their mind.
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NM14456



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to think about - and my only intelligence experience is watching the first two seasons of '24', is that the embassy may not want this info to be public in an ongoing way.

Giving little or less notice on where these places will be keeps the wrong people from setting up shop near them or monitoring what the US is anticipating.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NM14456 wrote:
One thing to think about - and my only intelligence experience is watching the first two seasons of '24', is that the embassy may not want this info to be public in an ongoing way.

Giving little or less notice on where these places will be keeps the wrong people from setting up shop near them or monitoring what the US is anticipating.


"The temperature in Seoul is 112 degrees and rising. And now, some Bing Crosby...I'm dreaming of a white Christmas..."

Why do you worry about it? If they say they aren't considering an evacuation, then you could go to the evacuation point and... no one would be there to evacuate you. So who cares?

Like NM14456 said, maybe they've come to realize that they might actually have to do an evacuation and they ARE updating it and are NOT going to put the information out in the public domain. April 30th, 1975 ring any bells?

I.E., relax.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: US EMBASSY PULLS EVACUATION PLANS FOR CITIZENS Reply with quote

Himself wrote:
When I inquired as to how I was supposed to receive evacuation information if the internet or electricity went out, I was told to "use my imagination.".


You think the Norks are going to "put out the internet"?

How would they do that exactly? send agents to pull out plugs all over the world?

Gotta luv people who invent impossible/unlikely what-if scenarios, then get all upset about them.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: US EMBASSY PULLS EVACUATION PLANS FOR CITIZENS Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Himself wrote:
When I inquired as to how I was supposed to receive evacuation information if the internet or electricity went out, I was told to "use my imagination.".


You think the Norks are going to "put out the internet"?

How would they do that exactly? send agents to pull out plugs all over the world?

Gotta luv people who invent impossible/unlikely what-if scenarios, then get all upset about them.


How do you access the internet with no power/telecom line?
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Junior



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: US EMBASSY PULLS EVACUATION PLANS FOR CITIZENS Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
How do you access the internet with no power/telecom line?


battery.
unsecured networks.
phone.


Use your imagination.
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mc_jc



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As more Americans arrive in Korea to work and live, it becomes harder to provide a sound evacuation plan. The original plan was in place under the assumption that there were only 20,000 citizens residing in the country- which would be enough to keep safely on an aircraft carrier. But as the number jumps up, the old plans become antiquated and evacuating all these people becomes a logistical nightmare.
The same would go for Americans living in Thailand or even the Philippines.


The general idea now to give ordinary citizens enough time to evacuate on their own before hostilities erupt.
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is there a thread about evacuation...?





Did I miss something?
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vlhuynh



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: US EMBASSY PULLS EVACUATION PLANS FOR CITIZENS Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
nathanrutledge wrote:
How do you access the internet with no power/telecom line?


battery.
unsecured networks.
phone.


Use your imagination.


The first things to go in the event of "war" is usually communication lines. Take a look at Bagdhad for example when the US went in. They crippled the communication methods (no TV, no radio, no phone, no power).

You may have a generator or battery to power your equipment but what are you going to connect that to if the internet/telephone system goes down?

I can understand where you're coming from but sometimes depending on technology in the event of a situation such as the proposed one might not be such a good idea.

Besides, isn't it always good to be prepared in any situation?

That said. I've never been to Korea soooo...maybe I don't have any credibility on the subject Laughing
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kabrams



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

decolyon wrote:
Ha.

And they said I was crazy for packing an emergency bag and mapping a route South that could be traveled by foot.

Well, who's crazy now?


You, still.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anyone know if the canadian embassy has posted anything about evacuation centres?
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