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le-paul

Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Location: dans la chambre
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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You think weve evolved past the point of killing as a species?
Turn on the news or look on google earth at villages that have been burned to the ground in Africa recently (for example). It happens everyday. Its as much a part of life as craping and screwing.
And think about the consequences of all the crap you waste everyday in your life or if you eat an animal - you think thats morally better than killing? Maybe in some skewed western thinking it is.
ignorance has become an excuse for everything these days.
At least I am being honest (with myself if nothing else), Im not sure that makes me black hearted. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Location: England/Anyang
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:52 am Post subject: |
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You aren't being honest with yourself.
You can never know until you do it. Then you can claim what you would happily do or not. When you speak to enough war veterans you learn that doing it because you dislike someone is not human nature. Doing it out of necessity or particularly powerful propaganda and so forth (but that's going into the very depths of philosophy and psychology people are yet to understand) is indeed human nature. |
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interestedinhanguk

Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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le-paul wrote: |
You think weve evolved past the point of killing as a species?
Turn on the news or look on google earth at villages that have been burned to the ground in Africa recently (for example). It happens everyday. Its as much a part of life as craping and screwing.
And think about the consequences of all the crap you waste everyday in your life or if you eat an animal - you think thats morally better than killing? Maybe in some skewed western thinking it is.
ignorance has become an excuse for everything these days.
At least I am being honest (with myself if nothing else), Im not sure that makes me black hearted. |
I'm being honest... I don't WANT to kill anyone. |
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le-paul

Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Location: dans la chambre
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Without trying to be crass or belittle your comment globtron, Im not talking about forced genecide or execution or anything else a soldier has to witness or experience, I know that isnt pleasant. I think youre right, most people dont know how they would feel if they had to kill someone.
Im talking about being very practical about death. If youre practically minded, its surprising what humans are capable of doing.
If I were put in a room (for example) with a needle of poison and the yorkshire ripper before he comited his crimes, Im pretty sure without a shadow of a doubt (knowing a moral obligation) that to inject him, would kill him, I could do it at the risk of upsetting his family.
And to the other poster (the one who claims Im black hearted for my comment).
Being willing to kill another human (in a given circumstance) isnt the greatest crime that mankind can commit in terms of either ethics, morals, principals or inhumanity to mankind or nature.
Everyday we are personally responsible for quite a large amount of suffering and can quite happily go along with that as long as we dont have to think about it.
I happen to think that (ignorance for greed/personal benefit) inst worse than taking a baseball bat to some shite head (Im speaking metaphorically here by the way) who is consciously making the world a worse place with no regard for human suffering or the negative effects of their actions.
There are many circumstances when one person has to take the life of another and it has been rationalised or at least given the support of the majority of that society.
For example assisted suicide, abortion, the death penalty, ordering the shooting of an armed man who has hostages or even putting your dog to sleep. Etc.
Really, you could argue each case that it is immoral (or to refer back to the title - 'black'). But every time there will be a counter argument. So I would put to you that killing certainly isnt in black and white terms - wrong.
Its a question of morals.
This is a big can of worms... |
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dr_feelgood
Joined: 15 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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And to the other poster (the one who claims Im black hearted for my comment).
Being willing to kill another human (in a given circumstance) isnt the greatest crime that mankind can commit in terms of either ethics, morals, principals or inhumanity to mankind or nature.
Everyday we are personally responsible for quite a large amount of suffering and can quite happily go along with that as long as we dont have to think about it.
I happen to think that (ignorance for greed/personal benefit) inst worse than taking a baseball bat to some shite head (Im speaking metaphorically here by the way) who is consciously making the world a worse place with no regard for human suffering or the negative effects of their actions.
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le-paul ~
I know some fellas darker than you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4BIStpRW9U&feature=related |
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:17 am Post subject: |
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I saw some western goth types when I was in Saigon. I was so amazed I even snapped a sly photo of them. Just couldn't believe such black-hearted people would ever be inspired to travel the world. But I guess Le-Paul has proven us otherwise in this thread. |
Maybe they're a sub-culture of goth? |
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machoman

Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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johnnyrook wrote: |
I saw some western goth types when I was in Saigon. I was so amazed I even snapped a sly photo of them. Just couldn't believe such black-hearted people would ever be inspired to travel the world. But I guess Le-Paul has proven us otherwise in this thread. |
i remember in gym class in high school there was a goth kid. it was funny seeing him in our green gym clothes with his white make up. |
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Kaypea
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Goth would go ok with the uniforms at my school (grey suits), as long as it was an understated goth and not some kind of heavy metal type goth. |
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Radius wrote: |
Korea does seem to be a cattle calling for the weird and mentally unstable. |
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DorkothyParker

Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Location: Jeju
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:36 am Post subject: |
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I really wish I could meet these freaks everyone keeps talking about. I need more friends.
I'm not a dark person, but I've never encountered death of a person I really cared about in my life so it is hard for me to have the proper emotional reaction when people tell me sad stories and the like. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Location: England/Anyang
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, It's definitely not black and white.
If it was, neuroscience would be out of a business. |
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le-paul

Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Location: dans la chambre
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Kaypea wrote: |
Goth would go ok with the uniforms at my school (grey suits), as long as it was an understated goth and not some kind of heavy metal type goth. |
and then theres 'EMO'S' (who we all know mean 'emotional', theres no icon for yawning).
Stephen fry summed them up perfectly when he said;
There are differences with clothing and music but the biggest diiference is that Emos want to kill themselves - Goths want to kill everyone else. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Radius wrote: |
Korea does seem to be a cattle calling for the weird and mentally unstable. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: |
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This thread needs to be cross-referenced with the staring threads.
Staring is bad.
"Hey check out these freaks!"
Haven't you all seen a goth before? I've been seeing them since 1992. Get over it. |
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