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recessiontime
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| Eastern Europeans learned, after 30million+ dead, the outcome of unrestrained Jewish supremacism. The Arabs will be protected from this by the Turks, I hope. Somebody has to protect them. If Israel does to the Arabs what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to Russians a third world war will be unavoidable. |
Thanks Captain Antisemite, says the anti-Zionist guy. |
Anti-Zionist!?
omg you are clearly a anti-Semite !!
grow up. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Eastern Europeans learned, after 30million+ dead, the outcome of unrestrained Jewish supremacism. The Arabs will be protected from this by the Turks, I hope. Somebody has to protect them. If Israel does to the Arabs what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to Russians a third world war will be unavoidable. |
Thanks Captain Antisemite, says the anti-Zionist guy. |
There's a reason you don't know about it.
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit
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Jewish group objects to �Great Famine� case
June 15, 2009
KIEV, Ukraine (JTA) -- A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the "Great Famine" committed in the 1930s.
The nation's security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were Jewish.
Ukrainian lawmaker Aleksandr Feldman, leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, said last week that it was "a farce" to press the case.
�All organizers of the Great Famine are dead," he said.
Last July, the Ukrainian Security Service released a list of high-ranking Soviet state and Communist Party officials -- as well as officials from NKVD, the police force of Soviet Russia -- that essentially blamed Jews and Latvians responsible for perpetrating and executing the famine because most of the names on the list were Jewish.
The Ukrainian Jewish Committee called on the secret service to revise the list, which incited interethnic hatred, in order to clear up the �inaccuracy.� |
Isn't that shocking? After the 50 years of German, Swiss et al shakedowns a Jewish group has the balls to say "all the organizers are dead"!!. Ha. Next time you hear about some Jewish group shuckin and jivin with stories of soap and lamp shades, say "all the organizers are dead and we need not to discuss what Germany did cause it might create interethnic hatred".
So why don't you know and why do you think it is antisemitism to point out that some of the greatest mass murderers of the past 100 years were ethno-centric Jews killing Christians out of hate? Well, if Western people knew that the Bolsheviks were almost entirely Jews and completely destroyed Russia in an act of ethnic war then 1) the Jews wouldn't have such a special place in our hearts (wallets) and 2) the Holocaust would look like an event in an ethnic war of slaughters rather than the one-sided slaughter we're told. The Gulag preceded Auschwitz.
But the above is all antisemitic! Jews are so special they get to kill tens of millions of Christians and to mention it is antisemitism! Best. PR. Ever. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Eastern Europeans learned, after 30million+ dead, the outcome of unrestrained Jewish supremacism. The Arabs will be protected from this by the Turks, I hope. Somebody has to protect them. If Israel does to the Arabs what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to Russians a third world war will be unavoidable. |
Thanks Captain Antisemite, says the anti-Zionist guy. |
Anti-Zionist!?
omg you are clearly a anti-Semite !!
grow up. |
Fun game. Woooooooo, settlements hurray!!! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Eastern Europeans learned, after 30million+ dead, the outcome of unrestrained Jewish supremacism. The Arabs will be protected from this by the Turks, I hope. Somebody has to protect them. If Israel does to the Arabs what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to Russians a third world war will be unavoidable. |
Thanks Captain Antisemite, says the anti-Zionist guy. |
There's a reason you don't know about it.
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit
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Jewish group objects to �Great Famine� case
June 15, 2009
KIEV, Ukraine (JTA) -- A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the "Great Famine" committed in the 1930s.
The nation's security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were Jewish.
Ukrainian lawmaker Aleksandr Feldman, leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, said last week that it was "a farce" to press the case.
�All organizers of the Great Famine are dead," he said.
Last July, the Ukrainian Security Service released a list of high-ranking Soviet state and Communist Party officials -- as well as officials from NKVD, the police force of Soviet Russia -- that essentially blamed Jews and Latvians responsible for perpetrating and executing the famine because most of the names on the list were Jewish.
The Ukrainian Jewish Committee called on the secret service to revise the list, which incited interethnic hatred, in order to clear up the �inaccuracy.� |
Isn't that shocking? After the 50 years of German, Swiss et al shakedowns a Jewish group has the balls to say "all the organizers are dead"!!. Ha. Next time you hear about some Jewish group shuckin and jivin with stories of soap and lamp shades, say "all the organizers are dead and we need not to discuss what Germany did cause it might create interethnic hatred".
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The difference here is that apart from that specific group of people who had Jewish names (which really doesn't prove all that much) it is not at all clear that anybody else of Jewish origin knew what was going on.
But the majority of the general population of Germany either knew/or had a good idea (even if they didn't want to admit it to themselves) what was going on in those concentration camps.
There's a big difference between an elite group and the general population. And anybody who can't understand that is simply not to be taken seriously. The trouble is that Jewish Ukrainians do understand that a lot of people don't and don't want to be targeted for the sins of other people who are all dead now. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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After the 50 years of German, Swiss et al shakedowns a Jewish group has the balls to say "all the organizers are dead"!!. Ha. Next time you hear about some Jewish group shuckin and jivin with stories of soap and lamp shades, say "all the organizers are dead and we need not to discuss what Germany did cause it might create interethnic hatred".
So why don't you know and why do you think it is antisemitism to point out that some of the greatest mass murderers of the past 100 years were ethno-centric Jews killing Christians out of hate? Well, if Western people knew that the Bolsheviks were almost entirely Jews and completely destroyed Russia in an act of ethnic war then 1) the Jews wouldn't have such a special place in our hearts (wallets) and 2) the Holocaust would look like an event in an ethnic war of slaughters rather than the one-sided slaughter we're told. The Gulag preceded Auschwitz.
But the above is all antisemitic! Jews are so special they get to kill tens of millions of Christians and to mention it is antisemitism! Best. PR. Ever. |
Not only that, Zionists were also complicit with the Nazis in the capital 'H' Holocaust  |
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HijackedTw1light
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| I'm just guessing here, but I think there was a guy called Stalin who may have had a little more to do with that. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Oh well.
Turkey is the first major power to openly defend the rights of Arabs not to be killed by Israel. Israel must be confronted and constrained. Turkey, a NATO member, might be the state to do it. |
Except that any military action taken against Israel where Turkey was the first party to attack would violate the first article of the NATO treaty. It is not at all clear that the NATO treaty obliges the others to assist a member nation who is (a) the clear aggressor and (b) who has violated the treaty to begin with. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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That's the beautiful part. Turkey out of NATO ends the delusion for ever of Turkey in the EU and in addition gives Israel a new bugaboo to call the Next Hitler�.
Somebody has to defend Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank from Israel's rampages. Are you so naive as to think the dominance will continue for ever?
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Sure. There is no evidence that the general population of Jews opposed it or felt (or feel) guilt for it. Jews continued to support the Soviet Union until Stalin re-Russianized the country. Then the communist Jews turned to Trotsky and then to Zionism (hi, neo-cons!) or the New Left (meaning degenerate liberalism for the West and racialist fascism for Israel). Lots and lots of apologies needed. Lots of money to be extracted. All in time.
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| And anybody who can't understand that is simply not to be taken seriously. |
There's that style of argumentation I enjoy so much. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sure. There is no evidence that the general population of Jews opposed it or felt (or feel) guilt for it. . |
There's no evidence that they knew about it either. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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You don't know what you're talking about.
It was very widely known at the time of the revolution who the revolution was, who the leaders were and what was being done to the Russian and Eastern European populations. Newspapers in the US reported on it.
Churchill wrote a long essay on it.
http://tinyurl.com/35kmjsz
Winston Churchill:
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Terrorist Jews
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.
The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing. |
His notable exception of Lenin is wrong. Lenin's father was a Jew and Lenin spoke Yiddish at home. His wife was also Jewish. |
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HijackedTw1light
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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This discussion is ridiculous. Stalin was the head of state, and he was perhaps the strongest head of state of the 20th Century. The policy of the USSR went according to his whim. Just because a disproportionate number of the apparatchiks in Ukraine at the time had Jewish names does not mean the terror-famine was a collective Jewish attempt to murder Christians.
This is a dark fantasy.
I know, I know, Mises. There's a Jewish woman who wants Europe to become more diverse. We saw the video already, you don't need to post it for the third time or whatever it would be. Yes, we know it proves Jews are in on a vast conspiracy to undermine Europe, and I'm sure we're all horrified.
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| But the above is all antisemitic! Jews are so special they get to kill tens of millions of Christians and to mention it is antisemitism! Best. PR. Ever. |
Methinks she doth protest too much. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| This discussion is ridiculous. |
No, it isn't. Not at a time when America is fighting in Iraq for Israel and preparing to attack Iran for Israel and has an entirely Zionist media that beats the drum of war for Israel. The people who push for war - neo-cons - are a direct line from the murderous communists (then Trotsky devotees) in Russia. Read "Why are Jews Liberal" by Podhoretz. These are not one-off events that exist in a historical vacuum. These are extremely well financed organizations and individuals that have a profound impact on history.
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| Stalin was the head of state, and he was perhaps the strongest head of state of the 20th Century. |
He assigned authority over Ukraine to Kaganovitch, who in turn killed 75% of Ukrainian intellectuals and organized the famine. The executions were largely done by the Cheka, which was almost entirely Jewish and who almost never killed other Jews. Alexander Solzhenitsyn describes the administration of the gulags as almost entirely Jewish as well. He describes the life of Jews inside the Gulags as dramatically better than the Christians.
The revolution, at the time of inception, was very, very Jewish. Stalin slowly Russianized the Soviet system, leading to the abandonment of it and him by Jewish communists both in and outside of the USSR. The question is if Jewish support (including massive financial support from American Jews like Jacob Schiff) was a necessary condition for the success of the revolution. American Jews despised the Russians and their Czar. Schiff even funded the Japanese against the Russians.
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| Methinks she doth protest too much. |
The excessive protesting has not come from Eastern Europeans.
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The last 100 years has been a cesspool of ethnic conflict and genocide all over the world. There have been many different groups who have organized violence against other groups, for whatever reason. This is a fact of life. The Soviet catastrophe had in it strong elements of ethnic war. That is a fact. Not a fantasy. A fact. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Mises, don't bother with these people. If the Israeli president tomorrow put innocent Palestinians in gas chambers these people will find someway to rationalize it. They'll say they deserved it or how they were a threat to Israel or how they were getting in the way of progress. They already have made their minds up and no evidence to the contrary will dissuade them. |
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rollo
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| Turkey will do nothing about lebanon except protest. Just like the Saudi's who talk about the evil Israeli but jump in bed with them at every chance. Of course the Saudi's do nothing to help the Palestinians. Neither will the turks. |
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HijackedTw1light
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Once again--the the fact that apparatchik administrators like Kaganovich had Jewish backgrounds does not mean it was a blood war.
It is much easier to believe they were Stalinists who believed in their ideology more than in compassion. Unless you want to believe something else. But where is the evidence?
Even if one were to grant ethnic hatred as a motivation for some of them, which I see no evidence for, it does not implicate Jews overseas, who would have had little to no knowledge of the causes for, much less the apparatchiks involved in, the terror-famine. |
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