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ThingsComeAround
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 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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When America makes these checks for buses on a nation-wide scale then I will agree that it's turned into a police state.
A training exercise of one day doesn't really cut it for me though. |
How do you think it starts?
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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When citizens traveling domestically on buses (a vehicle which only carries a small number of passengers, and is not especially dangerous if hijacked when considered on a societal scale) are being patted down by police officers, we've gone beyond the even remotely justifiable and into the absurd. No reasonable person can watch this buffoon talk about, "Inventing the wheel in advance," in order to justify harassing American citizens by referencing terrorist attacks that haven't even happened yet. And when the news reporter talks about travelers feeling these measures are a, "Comfort in troubled times," and interviewed some random guy whose credential is listed as "rides the bus," who says he's happy that now he doesn't have to worry about blowing up next time he gets on the bus, I felt my face twitch a bit.
Space Bar, we had a conversation some time back, wherein you tried to convince me America was a police state, while I remained doubtful. Well, you win. America is a police state. Maybe not as extreme a case as certain other nations, but it's indisputably gotten there. I tried to remain agnostic as long as I could; I felt like as long as this crap was restricted to airplanes -- an expensive mode of travel for which there are plenty of alternatives for the average citizen -- things could still be okay, and the trend could still be reversed. Clearly, I was wrong; this is just going to keep going and going, and my optimistic hope on the matter was simply foolishness. |
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The video posted above was of a random check for one day only that was being done as a training exercise[b] for the officers more than anything.
Buses in general [b]do NOT have these checks yet. |
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When America makes these checks for buses on a nation-wide scale then I will agree that it's turned into a police state. |
By that time, it's too late.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| A training exercise of one day doesn't really cut it for me though. |
I guess then we can all agree now that the US is a police state in training. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
When America makes these checks for buses on a nation-wide scale then I will agree that it's turned into a police state.
A training exercise of one day doesn't really cut it for me though. |
This isn't a response to a terrorist hijacking or blowing up a bus; there's no emotional basis to it, and no demonstrable pressing need. It's just our government spontaneously deciding that it can randomly deploy agents at a given area and violate our civil rights, subjecting us to unreasonable, baseless searches at will. Unlike the airplanes, it's not even about the illusion of security. It's about control; as he said, they want citizens to feel like even if there isn't security in any given place, there could be. He wants Americans to become used to random body searches and dogs sniffing through their luggage.
No thanks. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
When America makes these checks for buses on a nation-wide scale then I will agree that it's turned into a police state.
A training exercise of one day doesn't really cut it for me though. |
This isn't a response to a terrorist hijacking or blowing up a bus; there's no emotional basis to it, and no demonstrable pressing need. |
I believe you misspeak here. There is no rational basis for it, but rather only an emotional one, as you go on to describe:
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It's just our government spontaneously deciding that it can randomly deploy agents at a given area and violate our civil rights, subjecting us to unreasonable, baseless searches at will. Unlike the airplanes, it's not even about the illusion of security. It's about control; as he said, they want citizens to feel like even if there isn't security in any given place, there could be. He wants Americans to become used to random body searches and dogs sniffing through their luggage.
No thanks. |
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